have i played this right?

[Ironside]

PokerStars Game #41132502701: Tournament #301010756, $5.00+$0.50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXVI (10000/20000) - 2010/03/14 6:13:09 WET [2010/03/14 1:13:09 ET]
Table '301010756 282' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: chansmaster (669716 in chips)
Seat 3: daybreaker62 (2643750 in chips)
Seat 4: popra (691095 in chips)
Seat 5: Ironside (1070950 in chips)
Seat 6: joelip (343374 in chips)
Seat 7: xpokerplaya7 (679962 in chips)
Seat 8: MACHECOULE (2350724 in chips)
chansmaster: posts the ante 2000
daybreaker62: posts the ante 2000
popra: posts the ante 2000
Ironside: posts the ante 2000
joelip: posts the ante 2000
xpokerplaya7: posts the ante 2000
MACHECOULE: posts the ante 2000
joelip: posts small blind 10000
xpokerplaya7: posts big blind 20000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Ironside [ ]
MACHECOULE: folds
chansmaster: folds
daybreaker62: folds
popra: folds
Ironside: raises 25000 to 45000
joelip: folds
xpokerplaya7: calls 25000
*** FLOP *** [ ]
xpokerplaya7: checks
Ironside: bets 80000
xpokerplaya7: raises 120000 to 200000
Ironside: raises 200000 to 400000
xpokerplaya7: raises 232962 to 632962 and is all-in
Ironside: calls 232962

[nirvana]

if you won, yes - if you lost, no.

[Ironside]

if you won, yes - if you lost, no.

so maybe?

[LeKnave]

Just set him in with the flop 3bet. But yeah standard.

[Laxie]

Don't get cross with me Lads, but serious question...is that the standard size raise pre with that much in the pot? 

[gatso]

Don't get cross with me Lads, but serious question...is that the standard size raise pre with that much in the pot? 

pretty much. 45-50k ish is good here

ridic badly disguised 'I had 1 meeelion chips' brag in op

[Laxie]

Don't get cross with me Lads, but serious question...is that the standard size raise pre with that much in the pot? 

pretty much. 45-50k ish is good here

So isn't the BB kind of priced in to call at that point with any 2?  He's got enough chips to risk it and there's 89k in the pot and only 25k for him to call. 

This is where I get confused.  Where do ye split the difference between priced in vs. position? 

[the rage]

I'm probably missing something obvious, but, when the stacks are this deep, i personally dont think it's wise to play for most of your stack with this hand. The raise seems  too small to me too. There is 46000 in the pot before you bet. There will be a lot of flops that you wont like, so i would personally be inclined to raise bigger. As it is your opponent could be playing any two cards. He could easily have flopped a set, full house or even quads. I'm not sure of the best way to play it but i would try to keep the pot small once you've been called. It's an interesting dilemna though. Cheers for posting it. I dont claim to be any good BTW. Just posting my thoughts.

[Cf]

Raise size is perfect. We can't start raising more with this hand because we don't want to see certain flops. We need to be consistent in our raise sizing.

BB would be priced in to call with a big range if it was an all in showdown. It isn't. We have 3 more streets of poker to be playing and heads up out of position is not where we want to be, irregardless of the nice pre flop odds we apparently have.

[outragous76]

iron

you played it fine

Laxie - people who continually call from the BB with ATC cause they are priced in have a terrible leak in their game and are a pleasure to play against

*check fold flop* is what they do 90% of the time - that or continue to spew by floating

[the rage]

Try not to get too cross with me too. What sort of range should i be flat calling with from the Big Blind against a raise of 2.25BB? I appreciate that we dont want to give away the strength of our hand because of our raise size, but, isn't this a bit small, particularly from the button, or is it best to just stick to one size regardless of position?

[outragous76]

raise sizes should be the same irrespective of hand and position

dont flat from the BB unless you are super deep and have something of a hand - and even then - raise rather than flat

reason for not flicking it in with any two: you have J3 - flop comes 3 6 9 - you check he bets you?? (continue to spew?)

[Longy]

Don't get cross with me Lads, but serious question...is that the standard size raise pre with that much in the pot? 

pretty much. 45-50k ish is good here

So isn't the BB kind of priced in to call at that point with any 2?  He's got enough chips to risk it and there's 89k in the pot and only 25k for him to call. 

This is where I get confused.  Where do ye split the difference between priced in vs. position? 

Position is massive in holdem, if the bb wants to call with atc that is cool with me. Even when I miss and opponent makes weak 1 pair hands, I am often going to win the pot by making a cbet and potentially firing again on good turn cards.

They also will making calls with dominated hands which is great as if we both make a pair I am going to make quite a bit.

Also smaller bets allow more play after the flop which is good as it makes the stack deeper post flop giving us a lot more options in position post flop. Especially with position and a likely skill advantage over an opponent.

We also should be raising a lot and attempting to steal the blinds at this stage, it costs us less to steal the blinds by making it smaller. If we suddenly start making it 4x with our bigger hands, our opponents are going to be able to narrow our potential range a lot easier.

If you watch any decent buyin tournies online the winning players are almost making around 2-2.5x in the latter stages of the tournament.

[the rage]

Cheers for those replies. Very helpful thanks.

[Ironside]

rage i doubted the 2.5 raises but its totally changed my results. 3x pre ante though