pretty sick spot in manc £1k

[railtard1]

good hand anyways,...
but gogogogo bramdogg in final later

[the rage]

Whatever the villian had, i agree, it was a very good hand to look at. One of the reasons that i opted for the fold option was that, a while ago, i asked a good player if there were any situations where he would consider making a snap shove. He told me, only when he had the nuts and he wanted to induce his opponent to make a hasty call.
 Fair play to both players. If villian didn't get there on the river, or already have the nut flush, it was a top class move IMO. Either way, he succeeded in leaving most of us unsure, which is no bad thing. GG.

[Blatch]

good hand anyways,...
but gogogogo bramdogg in final later

This pls

Kid deserves a big result

[MANTIS01]

Interesting to see the views on the other forum. If villain doesn't have it I find his play rather interesting. He 3bets an UTG raise, snaps a 4bet, floats the flop, tries to bluff the turn, and jams the river. All this without a hand at 25/50 against an unknown. Not sure that is a "top class" move as it goes, but it's deffo ballsy so early in a 1k event.

[ACE2M]

I'm so behind on poker if this is a fold.

We cbet because you have to after 4bet pre, get called, check the turn to induce bluff, he bluffs, we call or shove.

[outragous76]

I'm so behind on poker if this is a fold.

We cbet because you have to after 4bet pre, get called, check the turn to induce bluff, he bluffs, we call or shove.

fyp

[ACE2M]

I'm so behind on poker if this is a fold.

We cbet because you have to after 4bet pre, get called, check the turn to induce bluff, he bluffs, we call or shove.

fyp

Entirely true.

Can someone tell me why we are checking the turn?

[AlexMartin]

as camel says, is he really not raising with AQcc in a 4b pot on this flop? Hes at least raising some of the time. Would be nice to know your image.  I dont believe it and i doubt he has AJcc in his range for peeling 4bets with these stacks. Oh and im in the calling camp, he can be valuejamming worse, probs has a tonne of bluffs and nowhere near enough clubs.

Also, this whole not showing weakness with your lines thing, i thought we stopped levelling on blonde? I mean seriously, you almost had me.

[GreekStein]

ok what he have?

[LeKnave]

ok what he have?

78o

[George2Loose]

ok what he have?

78o

he showed or told you?

[LeKnave]

ok what he have?

78o

he showed or told you?

told me

[MANTIS01]

as camel says, is he really not raising with AQcc in a 4b pot on this flop? Hes at least raising some of the time. Would be nice to know your image.  I dont believe it and i doubt he has AJcc in his range for peeling 4bets with these stacks. Oh and im in the calling camp, he can be valuejamming worse, probs has a tonne of bluffs and nowhere near enough clubs.

Also, this whole not showing weakness with your lines thing, i thought we stopped levelling on blonde? I mean seriously, you almost had me.

If you show weakness with your line in a big 4bet pot your oppo will likely respond to it. If you don't know what his reaction means or how to respond yourself what benefit is there in showing weakness with your line? That's the main point in this hand for me. If you're going to fold after employing a weak line maybe you shouldn't be employing a weak line. I don't think that's a level. It's not a question of what is or isn't optimum upon reflection cos both players make mistakes at the time, so maybe the line which allows for the fewest mistakes is correct if you don't have a firm plan. The reality is that hero doesn't want to go out and when the club and the heat comes that's exposed, but the weak 1.5k lead is the catalyst to that eventuality.

[EvilPie]

as camel says, is he really not raising with AQcc in a 4b pot on this flop? Hes at least raising some of the time. Would be nice to know your image.  I dont believe it and i doubt he has AJcc in his range for peeling 4bets with these stacks. Oh and im in the calling camp, he can be valuejamming worse, probs has a tonne of bluffs and nowhere near enough clubs.

Also, this whole not showing weakness with your lines thing, i thought we stopped levelling on blonde? I mean seriously, you almost had me.

Nothing wrong with showing weakness as long as it's part of the plan. Play a weak line then snap off your oppos bluff is perfectly acceptable.

Playing a weak line then levelling yourself in to thinking you may be behind is very different as is playing a weak line and levelling yourself in to thinking your oppo must be bluffing so calling a bit too light.

[AlexMartin]

as camel says, is he really not raising with AQcc in a 4b pot on this flop? Hes at least raising some of the time. Would be nice to know your image.  I dont believe it and i doubt he has AJcc in his range for peeling 4bets with these stacks. Oh and im in the calling camp, he can be valuejamming worse, probs has a tonne of bluffs and nowhere near enough clubs.

Also, this whole not showing weakness with your lines thing, i thought we stopped levelling on blonde? I mean seriously, you almost had me.

Nothing wrong with showing weakness as long as it's part of the plan. Play a weak line then snap off your oppos bluff is perfectly acceptable.

Playing a weak line then levelling yourself in to thinking you may be behind is very different as is playing a weak line and levelling yourself in to thinking your oppo must be bluffing so calling a bit too light.

ofcourse, but what i was alluding to was that if you bet this turn, it is to SNAP a jam from said villain, which is not what others were suggesting.