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« Reply #810 on: May 11, 2010, 04:42:58 PM » |
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« Reply #811 on: May 11, 2010, 04:52:54 PM » |
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im a live nit what can i say.....
difference of opinion is what makes this game great..
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Just because you don't like it...... It doesn't mean it's not the truth
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« Reply #812 on: May 11, 2010, 04:54:19 PM » |
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im a live nit what can i say.....
difference of opinion is what makes this game great..
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« Reply #813 on: May 11, 2010, 05:00:11 PM » |
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im a live nit what can i say.....
difference of opinion is what makes this game great..
Stop making sensible posts and get back to entertaining me LOLZ...i cant ...im more sensitive than mantis obv.... |
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Just because you don't like it...... It doesn't mean it's not the truth
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« Reply #814 on: May 11, 2010, 05:00:16 PM » |
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im a live nit what can i say.....
difference of opinion is what makes this game great..
Stop making sensible posts and get back to entertaining me just come to Luton any night of the week  |
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« Reply #815 on: May 11, 2010, 05:42:35 PM » |
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That said talk to me about your plan for opening the button when you expect the bb to be 3betting wide? Because that's actually the key in this hand. I would suggest that you could apply everything you've just said in reverse if you open from the button and as expected get 3bet
Oh and no, this is wrong. Leverage is when you use some of your chips to force your opponent to make a decision for all of theirs. After the 3bet, even just clicking it back will leave the button committed, so we're basically making a decision for all our chips to win the smaller amount that our opponent has bet, the opposite of leverage. And when you 4bet smash from the button how do you think that affects your leverage for the rest of this bubble dynamic? You think the rest of the players will be 3betting light vs you? To say a 4bet risks your stack and means winning just what's in the pot is again playing the hand in a vacuum. define leverage You've done a good job defining what leverage is already. But check it out. I put you in the bb and you prove what great leverage you have when 3betting the button. Then I move you to the button where you tell me you open atc because of the great leverage you have. No doubt if I moved you to another seat you could prove how easily it is to dominate the shorter stacks, so you should open wide. So all simple enough to prove in isolation. But if you try and put them all together at the same time in the context of the game how much leverage have you actually got? In this pretty fast game with a maniac image you'll actually have very little leverage. You think leverage is just maths? You think you can raise every hand from every position and win it all? To max your leverage you need a credible image which means making choices. I questioned why your 1st choice is 3betting the aggro CL oop. You proved you have leverage in a vacuum. |
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« Reply #816 on: May 11, 2010, 05:48:35 PM » |
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Wrong. Guess again. Although you are right I did provide a definition in an earlier post, perhaps you should go back and check it out.
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« Reply #817 on: May 11, 2010, 05:51:48 PM » |
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Actually I'll save you the bother and just repeat myself:
Leverage is the concept employed when you make a small bet that forces your opponent to a decision for all their chips while risking only a fraction of yours.
Do you see how a 4bet shove does not fall under this category?
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« Reply #818 on: May 11, 2010, 06:21:42 PM » |
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« Reply #819 on: May 11, 2010, 07:22:47 PM » |
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We should be paying James Keys for these posts.
GG mantis. U had a good run (well when I say good run I actually mean a gentle stroll)
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« Reply #820 on: May 11, 2010, 07:30:34 PM » |
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We should be paying James Keys for these posts.
GG mantis. U had a good run (well when I say good run I actually mean a gentle stroll)
we will be paying soon. |
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« Reply #821 on: May 11, 2010, 07:53:19 PM » |
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Actually I'll save you the bother and just repeat myself:
Leverage is the concept employed when you make a small bet that forces your opponent to a decision for all their chips while risking only a fraction of yours.
Do you see how a 4bet shove does not fall under this category?
Well that's the definition. But in reality you're talking about a lever and not leverage. If you look at your lever as a small bet that forces your opponent to a decision for all their chips and nothing else you can always prove that is a truth by looking at the stack sizes on paper. So you could raise every hand right? But if your bets lack credibility the actual weight you're trying to lever increases as your opponents resist more. So yeah your lever is the same length, the fulcrum is in the same place, but because the weight is heavier your overall leverage diminishes. You're saying the numbers prove the decision for your opponent is the same regardless of whether they believe you or not, but clearly it isn't. I can see how the 4bet shove increases your overall leverage in the game. |
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« Reply #822 on: May 11, 2010, 07:55:49 PM » |
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IM GOING TO BE HONEST WITH ALL OF YOU................. Im so totaly confused now with all of this are we really talking about poker still? Is this what young prodigys like Durrrr an Brian towsnend do to become super rich ?Tomorrow when i sit down an play will reading these posts really make me a better player ?
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« Reply #823 on: May 11, 2010, 07:57:37 PM » |
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im a live nit what can i say.....
difference of opinion is what makes this game great..
Stop making sensible posts and get back to entertaining me Please Please Blatch say something constructive to make me understand ! p.s X |
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« Reply #824 on: May 11, 2010, 08:28:35 PM » |
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im a live nit what can i say.....
difference of opinion is what makes this game great..
Stop making sensible posts and get back to entertaining me Please Please Blatch say something constructive to make me understand ! p.s X James Key's is my Hero - if you understand half of what he says you will be a zillionaire within the year, he may even make you good enough to win a comp instead of folding to 2nd place |
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