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[Jon MW]

It makes me laugh how everytime time I hear a tory representative on the radio they cry 'but we got the most votes', yet they are whole heartedly against PR

The torys are really going about this the wrong way due to desperation.cameron should ditch lib dem and make a positive move for power. There is an awful lot of media weight behind him might just push him home

It's possible for the Tory's to do it without the Lib Dems, but it's just so much easier to do it with them that it really is only a last resort measure.

[TightEnd]

lol, this is the first fight...that was the background to last night's fight..from about 2 minutes in

[cia260895]

lol, this is the first fight...that was the background to last night's fight..from about 2 minutes in

i remember see that at the time and I lol'd

this battle definitely has legs,and I cant wait for round 3

[kinboshi]

It makes me laugh how everytime time I hear a tory representative on the radio they cry 'but we got the most votes', yet they are whole heartedly against PR

The torys are really going about this the wrong way due to desperation.cameron should ditch lib dem and make a positive move for power. There is an awful lot of media weight behind him might just push him home

You only just noticed the media weight behind the Tories? 

[boldie]

The torys are really going about this the wrong way due to desperation.cameron should ditch lib dem and make a positive move for power.

I expect him to do just this at the end of today if the Lib Dems haven't made their mind up yet. I hope he yanks the referendum concession tonight and just says "Listen, we clearly can't work it out between us so in the interest of the country let's have another election" This would be the end of the Lib Dems IMO.

[kinboshi]

lol, this is the first fight...that was the background to last night's fight..from about 2 minutes in

i remember see that at the time and I lol'd

this battle definitely has legs,and I cant wait for round 3

Boulton bringing in the piece of shit that is Kelvin MacKenzie to argue against Murdoch's media being biased shows a fair bit of desperation!

[kinboshi]

The torys are really going about this the wrong way due to desperation.cameron should ditch lib dem and make a positive move for power.

I expect him to do just this at the end of today if the Lib Dems haven't made their mind up yet. I hope he yanks the referendum concession tonight and just says "Listen, we clearly can't work it out between us so in the interest of the country let's have another election" This would be the end of the Lib Dems IMO.

Interesting.  I think letting the Tories rule under a minority government, leading to another election sooner rather than later will place the LibDems in a stronger position next time.

[boldie]

The torys are really going about this the wrong way due to desperation.cameron should ditch lib dem and make a positive move for power.

I expect him to do just this at the end of today if the Lib Dems haven't made their mind up yet. I hope he yanks the referendum concession tonight and just says "Listen, we clearly can't work it out between us so in the interest of the country let's have another election" This would be the end of the Lib Dems IMO.

Interesting.  I think letting the Tories rule under a minority government, leading to another election sooner rather than later will place the LibDems in a stronger position next time.

Not really, IMO, as the Lib Dems would have to support (or atleast not vote against) the budget measures the Tories would have to implement. And the spin  that would be put on that solution would be that the Lib Dems became too greedy and just don't have the balls to govern when times are tough. I really can't see anything other than a Conservative/Lib Dem coalition working, and only then if everyone accepts that massive cuts will have to be made.

[Jon MW]

The torys are really going about this the wrong way due to desperation.cameron should ditch lib dem and make a positive move for power.

I expect him to do just this at the end of today if the Lib Dems haven't made their mind up yet. I hope he yanks the referendum concession tonight and just says "Listen, we clearly can't work it out between us so in the interest of the country let's have another election" This would be the end of the Lib Dems IMO.

Interesting.  I think letting the Tories rule under a minority government, leading to another election sooner rather than later will place the LibDems in a stronger position next time.

I think this is the best plan to strengthen the Lib Dems as well, they could basically oppose any measure they want 'as a matter of principle' and support any measure they want 'in the national interest'.

But it's the only option which doesn't put them in government, and I think that's going to be hard to resist.

[kinboshi]

The torys are really going about this the wrong way due to desperation.cameron should ditch lib dem and make a positive move for power.

I expect him to do just this at the end of today if the Lib Dems haven't made their mind up yet. I hope he yanks the referendum concession tonight and just says "Listen, we clearly can't work it out between us so in the interest of the country let's have another election" This would be the end of the Lib Dems IMO.

Interesting.  I think letting the Tories rule under a minority government, leading to another election sooner rather than later will place the LibDems in a stronger position next time.

I think this is the best plan to strengthen the Lib Dems as well, they could basically oppose any measure they want 'as a matter of principle' and support any measure they want 'in the national interest'.

But it's the only option which doesn't put them in government, and I think that's going to be hard to resist.

They have to decide if they want a longer period of greater influence after the next election, rather than being part of a government during an extremely difficult period.

[Jon MW]

The torys are really going about this the wrong way due to desperation.cameron should ditch lib dem and make a positive move for power.

I expect him to do just this at the end of today if the Lib Dems haven't made their mind up yet. I hope he yanks the referendum concession tonight and just says "Listen, we clearly can't work it out between us so in the interest of the country let's have another election" This would be the end of the Lib Dems IMO.

Interesting.  I think letting the Tories rule under a minority government, leading to another election sooner rather than later will place the LibDems in a stronger position next time.

I think this is the best plan to strengthen the Lib Dems as well, they could basically oppose any measure they want 'as a matter of principle' and support any measure they want 'in the national interest'.

But it's the only option which doesn't put them in government, and I think that's going to be hard to resist.

They have to decide if they want a longer period of greater influence after the next election, rather than being part of a government during an extremely difficult period.

I know, it seems obvious ...... but (etc etc)

[kinboshi]

The torys are really going about this the wrong way due to desperation.cameron should ditch lib dem and make a positive move for power.

I expect him to do just this at the end of today if the Lib Dems haven't made their mind up yet. I hope he yanks the referendum concession tonight and just says "Listen, we clearly can't work it out between us so in the interest of the country let's have another election" This would be the end of the Lib Dems IMO.

Interesting.  I think letting the Tories rule under a minority government, leading to another election sooner rather than later will place the LibDems in a stronger position next time.

I think this is the best plan to strengthen the Lib Dems as well, they could basically oppose any measure they want 'as a matter of principle' and support any measure they want 'in the national interest'.

But it's the only option which doesn't put them in government, and I think that's going to be hard to resist.

They have to decide if they want a longer period of greater influence after the next election, rather than being part of a government during an extremely difficult period.

I know, it seems obvious ...... but (etc etc)

Oh, I agree.  It depends how much they crave the power (they are politicians after all), and if they have the patience for the long-haul.

[boldie]

The torys are really going about this the wrong way due to desperation.cameron should ditch lib dem and make a positive move for power.

I expect him to do just this at the end of today if the Lib Dems haven't made their mind up yet. I hope he yanks the referendum concession tonight and just says "Listen, we clearly can't work it out between us so in the interest of the country let's have another election" This would be the end of the Lib Dems IMO.

Interesting.  I think letting the Tories rule under a minority government, leading to another election sooner rather than later will place the LibDems in a stronger position next time.

I think this is the best plan to strengthen the Lib Dems as well, they could basically oppose any measure they want 'as a matter of principle' and support any measure they want 'in the national interest'.

But it's the only option which doesn't put them in government, and I think that's going to be hard to resist.

They have to decide if they want a longer period of greater influence after the next election, rather than admit they can't govern during an extremely difficult period.

FYP. I always used to like the Lib Dems here (much preffered them over the Tories or Labour) but if they don't step up now I will lose all respect for them.

[Bongo]

It seems absurd to me that they can say that the party with the most votes and seats should have the chance to govern and yet they will be prepared to work with the other as they will give them some form of electoral reform without consulting the electorate (if they can get it through parliament) compared to the other side who would give a referendum on the same reform.

Losing all respect is putting it very mildly.

[Dingdell]

The torys are really going about this the wrong way due to desperation.cameron should ditch lib dem and make a positive move for power.

I expect him to do just this at the end of today if the Lib Dems haven't made their mind up yet. I hope he yanks the referendum concession tonight and just says "Listen, we clearly can't work it out between us so in the interest of the country let's have another election" This would be the end of the Lib Dems IMO.

Interesting.  I think letting the Tories rule under a minority government, leading to another election sooner rather than later will place the LibDems in a stronger position next time.

I don't agree - once they have lost a seat twice they loose their extra funding for that seat so their campaign has to be based on basic funds plus donations. In Northampton they were sending out so much paper and still manage to come third, so no funding here and probably less votes imo.