HAND ANALYSIS

[snoopy1239]

Came across this hand on today. Wondered if any1 had any thoughts. Any feedback would be highly appreciated.


***** Hand History for Game 3221496264 *****

$200 NL Texas Hold'em

Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 9

Seat 1: Rumi_Mowlana ( $369.10 )
Seat 3: dembums2005 ( $155.25 )
Seat 7: snoopy1239 ( $252.15 )
Seat 8: juicebol ( $242.30 )
Seat 9: deathtax ( $197.70 )
Seat 10: tiltno ( $190.05 )
Seat 4: Zoe_69 ( $369 )
Seat 2: nayrktz ( $65.80 )
Seat 6: drunkpunk_ ( $200 )

Zoe_69 posts small blind [$1].
drunkpunk_ posts big blind [$2].

** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to snoopy1239 [  ]

snoopy1239 raises [$5].
juicebol folds.
deathtax folds.
tiltno calls [$5].
Rumi_Mowlana calls [$5].
nayrktz folds.
dembums2005 calls [$5].
Zoe_69 folds.
drunkpunk_ folds.

** Dealing Flop ** [ , , ]


What would you do now if you were in my position?

[WellChief]

I'd bet out my usual continuation bet, normally around 2/3 pot.

[snoopy1239]

I'd bet out my usual continuation bet, normally around 2/3 pot.

Would you be hoping for a call, or do you just want to take the pot there and then?

[77dave]

beautiful flop for you snoopy   i love raising with these types of hands because when they hit you can get paid big time

i would bet 2/3 of the pot here

if someone has the jack it allows them to raise you then you can move all in and make them pass if they call its pretty much 50/50 anyway

chances are they will pass though and believe you for the over pair

if the nut flush calls against you   you still have 10 outs against him

chances are you can take this pot without seeing the turn

im sure most people would play this hand diff from me

[snoopy1239]

I was wondering if any1 would attempt a check raise here.

[77dave]

brunson says he never check raises

he likes to bet out just under the size of the pot  hit or miss

if he hits and someone wants to raise him and has the chance to move it all in

you have 3 people behind you so a good chance that someone has caught something

question is what are you trying to do      do you want to draw and hit your hand or take it down on the flop

[snoopy1239]

brunson says he never check raises

he likes to bet out just under the size of the pot  hit or miss

if he hits and someone wants to raise him and has the chance to move it all in

you have 3 people behind you so a good chance that someone has caught something

question is what are you trying to do      do you want to draw and hit your hand or take it down on the flop

I think I'd be happy to take the pot on the flop. My position is weak, and any1 with top pair or a flush draw will have complete control over me.

I like you idea of moving all-in if someone reraises, but I'm kinda worried that they'll call with AJ or bigger flush draw.

[77dave]

thats the power of the re reraise

if some1 has the aj   they should now pass it with the strength that you are showing

if someone has the nut flush draw they may not want to call for all there chips   
but if they do  you still have 9 outs at worst to move in front so yr a 40/60 shot

so you have outs if you get called by any hand aj  flush draw or set

remember you raised preflop what flop are you looking for with this hand

[WellChief]

Snoopy, I'm happy with a call behind me but I'm also happy to take the pot here and now.  What Dave says about the reraise all in is interesting, and I do the same in some cases but it really depends on opponent.  You don't want to be moving in if you're certain they'll call, only if you think there's decent odds that they'll pass.

Watching how players play when they hit top pair is quite important, many players will raise a continuation bet with top pair in the same way every time to define their hand.  With these players moving in will make them pass.  Some as I'm sure your aware will call an all in if they've reraised you with top pair so calling their raise and assessing the turn is probably your best bet with this type of player.  If the turn doesn't help and you really want to see a river then a "stopper" bet can sometimes work (about 1/5th pot) which hopefully they just call and let you see it cheaply.

With the trickier players who sometimes just call with their top pair/set, sometimes raise then the hand becomes tougher to play. 

[TightEnd]

BET OUT, hoping to win it there and then. If not, you can still follow up on the turn

I have seen 77Dave push/re-raise all in a lot on these type of situations, live

IMO to do this you have to pick your opponent..some aren't going to lay down AJ to this move, so by routinely doing this you are automatically increasing your variance

[77dave]

remember you are the initial raiser preflop of $5

just because someone has hit the j doesnt mean they have aj   it could quite as easily be kj qj or even jt

the other advantage is that if the straight comes on the turn it will be completely disguised

if the flush comes they may put you on it  it seems a lot of people like betting out on the flush draw

i understand that you need to play this hand differently against different people but until you make the initial bet on the flop you wont know which

of the 3 if any have caught part of the flop

[snoopy1239]

If my check or bet is raised, is it worth just flatcalling with my hand?

[TightEnd]

IMO yes, but it's fair to say my style is different from 77 Dave who will shove it in and win it there and then or have a fall back of hitting

[snoopy1239]

IMO yes, but it's fair to say my style is different from 77 Dave who will shove it in and win it there and then or have a fall back of hitting

and if u miss the turn?

Would u bet again?

[TightEnd]

i might check, hoping he checks.then if I hit on the river, I will throw a check in there too, saying "I give up"...cue the steal bet from him and you've won another bet

wins me a lot of £ that one