Satelite to Gukpt Luton

[Eso Kral]

Luton G Casino, 85 runners Left  10 seats guaranteed but it made 14seats  average chip stack is 11700 i have 10800 villain has 12000
History villain has been fairly tight only shown down made hands and a couple of big pairs he has also not played his button often and would have him as tight passive.
blinds are 100/200 20 mins after 1st break
Folds to me in the hijack i make it 550 to go with  and the villain re-raises to 1750 from the button
Is it best to a) flat due to his image b) repop to 4000 c) ship it  ??

Will post further after few replies

[the rage]

Good question. I'm going to go for the re-raise to 4000 option. If he re-raises all-in, i would then fold. If you re-raise to 4000 i think he will fold the pairs you are beating and call with AK or AK suited.
 I'm just thinking that if you flat call, you could end up losing the lot on the flop if he does have AA or KK. At least by re-raising to 4000 you should find out if he has aces or kings.
 I think if you ship it pre you will only be called by AA or KK.
I know i'm prob being too nitty, but i just think that if you flat call you are going to be in a very tough spot post flop unless another queen falls.

[Eso Kral]

Good question. I'm going to go for the re-raise to 4000 option. If he re-raises all-in, i would then fold. If you re-raise to 4000 i think he will fold the pairs you are beating and call with AK or AK suited.
 I'm just thinking that if you flat call, you could end up losing the lot on the flop if he does have AA or KK. At least by re-raising to 4000 you should find out if he has aces or kings.
 I think if you ship it pre you will only be called by AA or KK.
I know i'm prob being too nitty, but i just think that if you flat call you are going to be in a very tough spot post flop unless another queen falls.

AS its a satelite though and preservation is the key is not the nitty call the best option? and play the flop

[DMorgan]

Not really concerned that its a satellite at this point with 85 left and 14 seats.

I'd just jam. His sizing really doesn't look like AA/KK to be, much more likely AK imo and it really wouldn't suprise me if he folded to your jam.

[celtic]

20 minute clock and this far from getting a seat i get it in.

[Eso Kral]

Ok well i just flatted and now the flop comes   
Having flatted   stacks now me 9kish   villain 10k  pot 3800
As played i am oop so decide to C/R all in villains  Cbet of 2500   thoughts?

[nirvana]

Ok well i just flatted and now the flop comes   
Having flatted   stacks now me 9kish   villain 10k  pot 3800
As played i am oop so decide to C/R all in villains  Cbet of 2500   thoughts?

CRAI is good, now get yr coat

[DMorgan]

Sounds fine. I guess you got coolered, ul.

[Eso Kral]

Yeah  i C/R and villain snaps saying do you have 10/10 before flipping JJ  love it   i guess shipping pre flop wins me this coup
Thx guys

[the rage]

ul there. What do you think of the raise to 4000 option? I just thought that the 4000 raise looked as though you were committed to the hand and so he would fold JJ there. Was that being over optimistic? Cheers 4 posting it anyway.

[gatso]

Good question. I'm going to go for the re-raise to 4000 option. If he re-raises all-in, i would then fold. If you re-raise to 4000 i think he will fold the pairs you are beating and call with AK or AK suited.

so you're going for the option that you think gets oppo to fold everything we crush?

[the rage]

Good question. I'm going to go for the re-raise to 4000 option. If he re-raises all-in, i would then fold. If you re-raise to 4000 i think he will fold the pairs you are beating and call with AK or AK suited.

so you're going for the option that you think gets oppo to fold everything we crush?

My line of thought was that by raising to 4000 he does indeed fold  TT and JJ but stays in the hand with AK. But if villian has AA or KK he thinks that we are committed and so re-raises all-in. We then fold and avoid busting out.
There are 12 combinations of JJ and TT and 16 combinations of AK. If he does fold TT and JJ but callls with AK he is still sticking around with more than half of his likely holdings.
 so in the example quoted IF he folds JJ to the 4000 re-raise we have still acheived the same result as shoving pre, but, without the risk of busting out if we do run into KK or AA.

As it is, on this flop, we would have increased our profit against AK. By flat calling we really dont know if we are up against an overpair and the only hand that we are beating is AK.
I'm not trying to be clever having a go at this. Just thought that the raise seemed to be the most +ve option IF it folded out TT and JJ.
I'll be happy if people can put me right on this.

[Eso Kral]

Good question. I'm going to go for the re-raise to 4000 option. If he re-raises all-in, i would then fold. If you re-raise to 4000 i think he will fold the pairs you are beating and call with AK or AK suited.

so you're going for the option that you think gets oppo to fold everything we crush?

My line of thought was that by raising to 4000 he does indeed fold  TT and JJ but stays in the hand with AK. But if villian has AA or KK he thinks that we are committed and so re-raises all-in. We then fold and avoid busting out.
There are 12 combinations of JJ and TT and 16 combinations of AK. If he does fold TT and JJ but callls with AK he is still sticking around with more than half of his likely holdings.
 so in the example quoted IF he folds JJ to the 4000 re-raise we have still acheived the same result as shoving pre, but, without the risk of busting out if we do run into KK or AA.

As it is, on this flop, we would have increased our profit against AK. By flat calling we really dont know if we are up against an overpair and the only hand that we are beating is AK.
I'm not trying to be clever having a go at this. Just thought that the raise seemed to be the most +ve option IF it folded out TT and JJ.
I'll be happy if people can put me right on this.

I see your line rage and think this oppo calls the 2250 more and it all goes in the same i kinda drew the conclusion this as played is a cooler and the only way im still in the comp is if i ship pre flop but thats not really how i like to play this coup   sigh and move on to next one   thx for F/B

[George2Loose]

is this whole thread a level? 4 bet folding Queens? Guy just insta mucks jacks when 4 bet?

[the rage]

George. I'm trying to learn from this PHA thing. Maybe he wont fold JJ to a small re-raise. Maybe he wont fold jj to a 5.5k raise. I really dont know. Villiian was described as tight passive. Is re-raising all-in the best option here? I'm not so sure. What's wrong with folding if you truly believe that you're a 4 /1 dog?