Sorel Mizzi Thread on 2+2

[wallysnooper]

Middy gave sorel a pretty good "dressing down" in vegas.

Hitthehole's constant march to the tune of ethical well-being continues.

but yeah he's a scumbag this thread could be sick

Details plz?

[snoopy1239]

Not being funny, but surely this sort of thing is old hat and has been going on for quite a while?  It's not anything groundbreaking to use some remote desktop connection to drive someone else's PC, and I've taken over for people in comps using teamviewer before.  Not to cheat though, but surely loads of people must?

erm, isn't taking over for people a form of cheating...albeit less serious than other forms, but unethical nevertheless and against most sites' & Cs

Probably.  If I'm not in the tournament myself, then it's only the same as me standing behind the player whilst he plays, or sitting on his machine and playing.  Again, this surely happens all the time?

Hi. I'd be careful about this, it's definitely considered cheating on most sites I play on and it's not something you'd want to confess to in writing. Gary Clarke lost his Vegas package because he lost his connection and his friend took over for him for five minutes whilst he drove over to his house.

[The Camel]

Not being funny, but surely this sort of thing is old hat and has been going on for quite a while?  It's not anything groundbreaking to use some remote desktop connection to drive someone else's PC, and I've taken over for people in comps using teamviewer before.  Not to cheat though, but surely loads of people must?

erm, isn't taking over for people a form of cheating...albeit less serious than other forms, but unethical nevertheless and against most sites' & Cs

Probably.  If I'm not in the tournament myself, then it's only the same as me standing behind the player whilst he plays, or sitting on his machine and playing.  Again, this surely happens all the time?

Hi. I'd be careful about this, it's definitely considered cheating on most sites I play on and it's not something you'd want to confess to in writing. Gary Clarke lost his Vegas package because he lost his connection and his friend took over for him for five minutes whilst he drove over to his house.

In Stars and Cs it specifically says if your internet connection goes down a friend can take over from you.

[SirPerceval]

Not being funny, but surely this sort of thing is old hat and has been going on for quite a while?  It's not anything groundbreaking to use some remote desktop connection to drive someone else's PC, and I've taken over for people in comps using teamviewer before.  Not to cheat though, but surely loads of people must?

poorly disguised "I have a friend post" IMO

[NoflopsHomer]

Not being funny, but surely this sort of thing is old hat and has been going on for quite a while?  It's not anything groundbreaking to use some remote desktop connection to drive someone else's PC, and I've taken over for people in comps using teamviewer before.  Not to cheat though, but surely loads of people must?

erm, isn't taking over for people a form of cheating...albeit less serious than other forms, but unethical nevertheless and against most sites' & Cs

Probably.  If I'm not in the tournament myself, then it's only the same as me standing behind the player whilst he plays, or sitting on his machine and playing.  Again, this surely happens all the time?

Hi. I'd be careful about this, it's definitely considered cheating on most sites I play on and it's not something you'd want to confess to in writing. Gary Clarke lost his Vegas package because he lost his connection and his friend took over for him for five minutes whilst he drove over to his house.

In Stars and Cs it specifically says if your internet connection goes down a friend can take over from you.

Was on Everest IIRC

[tikay]

Not being funny, but surely this sort of thing is old hat and has been going on for quite a while?  It's not anything groundbreaking to use some remote desktop connection to drive someone else's PC, and I've taken over for people in comps using teamviewer before.  Not to cheat though, but surely loads of people must?

erm, isn't taking over for people a form of cheating...albeit less serious than other forms, but unethical nevertheless and against most sites' & Cs

Probably.  If I'm not in the tournament myself, then it's only the same as me standing behind the player whilst he plays, or sitting on his machine and playing.  Again, this surely happens all the time?

Hi. I'd be careful about this, it's definitely considered cheating on most sites I play on and it's not something you'd want to confess to in writing. Gary Clarke lost his Vegas package because he lost his connection and his friend took over for him for five minutes whilst he drove over to his house.

In Stars and Cs it specifically says if your internet connection goes down a friend can take over from you.

Was on Everest IIRC

That would explain the poor internet connection.

[gatso]

In Stars and Cs it specifically says if your internet connection goes down a friend can take over from you.

isn't it slightly more in depth than that like there needs to have been a network outage and you need to be able to provide proof? I seem to remember reading that sometime recently

[Bongo]

In Stars and Cs it specifically says if your internet connection goes down a friend can take over from you.

isn't it slightly more in depth than that like there needs to have been a network outage and you need to be able to provide proof? I seem to remember reading that sometime recently

Something like that, but I seem to remember the case mentioned being acceptable (i.e. someone takes over while you drive to their house because your connection died).

'Proof' seems a bit lolworthy - you can always pull the plug out and say you had a powercut.

[gatso]

ok, doesn't specifically mention requiring proof though maybe in some cases they'd request it

Examples of things which are beyond your control and therefore allowed, subject to PokerStars being able to corroborate with evidence, include:

   1. A thunderstorm strikes your location and takes the power down for the surrounding area, so you call a friend to take over your account while you make alternative arrangements.
   2. Your child is taken ill and you have to attend hospital, so you call a friend to take over your account.
   3. You are playing in a tournament and lose internet access in your home due to a failure of your ISP. You call a friend and he takes over while you make alternative arrangements.

[kinboshi]

In the cases I was talking about, it was when someone had to go out unexpectedly.

That wasn't really my point though. I was saying it must happen all the time, and people's incredulity at his actions suggests that they think it isn't widespread.  Poker players are hardly the most upstanding citizens (as a whole).

[Cottonbud]

Pretty scary how easy that sounds to do! Hopefully online sites can develop a way to spot this sort of cheating?

[kinboshi]

Pretty scary how easy that sounds to do! Hopefully online sites can develop a way to spot this sort of cheating?

How?  The only thing they can do is to look for players who play in the same tournaments/cash games regularly and look for irregular betting that hints at collusion.  If they can't do it this way, then there isn't anyway they can detect it.  Using remote desktop software is the same as being in front of the other person's computer and using their keyboard and mouse. 

[Cottonbud]

Pretty scary how easy that sounds to do! Hopefully online sites can develop a way to spot this sort of cheating?

How?  The only thing they can do is to look for players who play in the same tournaments/cash games regularly and look for irregular betting that hints at collusion.  If they can't do it this way, then there isn't anyway they can detect it.  Using remote desktop software is the same as being in front of the other person's computer and using their keyboard and mouse. 

Worrying!

[GreekStein]

Pretty scary how easy that sounds to do! Hopefully online sites can develop a way to spot this sort of cheating?

How?  The only thing they can do is to look for players who play in the same tournaments/cash games regularly and look for irregular betting that hints at collusion.  If they can't do it this way, then there isn't anyway they can detect it.  Using remote desktop software is the same as being in front of the other person's computer and using their keyboard and mouse. 

Worrying!

Just keep playing on sky poker where the software is so bad and the players so terrible that even a cheat would be too tilted to try it!

[gatso]

Pretty scary how easy that sounds to do! Hopefully online sites can develop a way to spot this sort of cheating?

How?  The only thing they can do is to look for players who play in the same tournaments/cash games regularly and look for irregular betting that hints at collusion.  If they can't do it this way, then there isn't anyway they can detect it.  Using remote desktop software is the same as being in front of the other person's computer and using their keyboard and mouse. 

they can ban the use of remote desktop software if they see it as a serious problem. should be able to detect it shouldn't they?