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[pleno1]

Come back when u have a 50k hand graph imo

just for you

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[Tal]

You were break even for half of that. That's quite incredible for us mainly live players.

Also, you effectively made $1 a hand over the second half. Not a bad rate.

[pleno1]

this is actually the most recent 50kish hands, the other was the 50k before.

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[theprawnidentity]

You were break even for half of that. That's quite incredible for us mainly live players.

Also, you effectively made $1 a hand over the second half. Not a bad rate.

http://www.nsdpoker.com/2011/03/nlhe_6m_pros/

From a few years ago but a great statistical analysis of 6m cash games.  A few moments of light reading for someone I'm sure.

[pleno1]

decided to learn plo, lose 400bb pot to 1 out

PokerStars Zoom Hand #105619387036:  Omaha Pot Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2013/10/17 9:59:52 CET [2013/10/17 3:59:52 ET]
Table 'Gotha' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Shuller_A1t ($389.17 in chips)
Seat 2: eendi ($89.14 in chips)
Seat 3: Pipodonia ($100 in chips)
Seat 4: pads1161 ($158.65 in chips)
Seat 5: 01nofx01 ($192.20 in chips)
Seat 6: 5BetAny2 ($923.54 in chips)
eendi: posts small blind $0.50
Pipodonia: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to pads1161 [As ]
pads1161: raises $2.50 to $3.50
01nofx01: raises $6.50 to $10
5BetAny2: folds
Shuller_A1t: folds
eendi: calls $9.50
Pipodonia: calls $9
pads1161: raises $40 to $50
01nofx01: calls $40
eendi: raises $39.14 to $89.14 and is all-in
Pipodonia: folds
pads1161: calls $39.14
01nofx01: calls $39.14
*** FLOP *** [ Ah ]
pads1161: bets $69.51 and is all-in
01nofx01: calls $69.51
*** TURN *** [ Ah ] []
*** RIVER *** [ Ah ] []
*** SHOW DOWN ***
pads1161: shows [As ] (a full house, Aces full of Sevens)
01nofx01: shows [ ] (four of a kind, Sevens)
01nofx01 collected $139.02 from side pot
eendi: shows [ ] (two pair, Tens and Sevens)
01nofx01 collected $274.62 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $416.44 Main pot $274.62. Side pot $139.02. | Rake $2.80
Board [ Ah ]
Seat 1: Shuller_A1t (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: eendi (small blind) showed [ ] and lost with two pair, Tens and Sevens
Seat 3: Pipodonia (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: pads1161 showed [As ] and lost with a full house, Aces full of Sevens
Seat 5: 01nofx01 showed [ ] and won ($413.64) with four of a kind, Sevens
Seat 6: 5BetAny2 folded before Flop (didn't bet)


haha

[pleno1]

his play is ok?

[tikay]

his play is ok?

Looks ok to me, he is playing his Kings, played it OK pre & binked bottom set, mistakenly thinking that was good, then he got lucky.

This is Omaha, it happens much much more than in NLH. 

[pleno1]

id have flat the open if i was him, but im learning, slowly.

[Doobs]

his play is ok?

I think it must be.  Where do you think he went wrong?  You can't always have aces on the flop, even though it looks the most likely holding.  In big multi way pots, you could be playing double suited connectors the same way.  I just think  he gets a bit unlicky with all the action, and can't really fold at any stage.  

I think you miscount the outs, TT98 has 8 to the main pot.

One thing you can't really do with PLO is get worked up over beats, you are going to get outdrawn more often than in Hold Em and it will drive you mad if you let it.  

[pleno1]

it was more of a "im learning plo" kinda thing yeh. and id always flat the open if i was him initially.

[tikay]

id have flat the open if i was him, but im learning, slowly.

But that is the whole point - you are NOT him, & we all play the game differently.

He's not done much wrong, imo, & so what if he has, what has that got to do with anything?

In Omaha, Aces win FAR less often than in NLH.

You were (roughly) 70-30 pre-flop. So he wins three times in every 10.

You just got unlucky, but if you want to play Omaha, this is perfectly standard, imo.

We have to look at the probable outcome over 10,000 hands, not one. Get it in good often enough, & you'll be a winner, but there'll be beats along the road.

[Doobs]

it was more of a "im learning plo" kinda thing yeh. and id always flat the open if i was him initially.

Think I probably flat too, but it is a while since I played PLO cash, and the game was pretty aggro then.  So maybe his 3 bet is standard now? I know the likes of Ben Grundy and Dave Shallow always had big 3 bet ranges. 

[pleno1]

i wont litter the thread i promise, but his play here?

PokerStars Zoom Hand #105619981165:  Omaha Pot Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2013/10/17 10:29:37 CET [2013/10/17 4:29:37 ET]
Table 'Gotha' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: bluesinsoul ($105.64 in chips)
Seat 2: Sergienko D. ($285.07 in chips)
Seat 3: xDTzx ($149.16 in chips)
Seat 4: pads1161 ($182.82 in chips)
Seat 5: talatias ($134.76 in chips)
Seat 6: Bumi3 ($74.94 in chips)
Sergienko D.: posts small blind $0.50
xDTzx: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to pads1161 [ ]
pads1161: raises $2.50 to $3.50
talatias: folds
Bumi3: folds
bluesinsoul: folds
Sergienko D.: folds
xDTzx: raises $7.50 to $11
pads1161: raises $22.50 to $33.50
xDTzx: calls $22.50
*** FLOP *** [ ]
xDTzx: checks
pads1161: bets $64.70
xDTzx: raises $50.96 to $115.66 and is all-in
pads1161: calls $50.96
*** FIRST TURN *** [ ] []
*** FIRST RIVER *** [ ] []
*** SECOND TURN *** [ ] []
*** SECOND RIVER *** [ ] []
*** FIRST SHOW DOWN ***
xDTzx: shows [td ] (two pair, Tens and Nines)
pads1161: shows [ ] (two pair, Aces and Nines)
pads1161 collected $148.01 from pot
*** SECOND SHOW DOWN ***
xDTzx: shows [td ] (a pair of Tens)
pads1161: shows [ ] (a pair of Aces)
pads1161 collected $148.01 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $298.82 | Rake $2.80
Hand was run twice
FIRST Board [ ]
SECOND Board [ ]
Seat 1: bluesinsoul (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Sergienko D. (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: xDTzx (big blind) showed [td ] and lost with two pair, Tens and Nines, and lost with a pair of Tens
Seat 4: pads1161 showed [ ] and won ($148.01) with two pair, Aces and Nines, and won ($148.01) with a pair of Aces
Seat 5: talatias folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Bumi3 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[tikay]

It's your thread Patrick, litter it all you like, but I am really struggling to understand your mindset here.

"....i wont litter the thread i promise, but his play here?....

Why are we obsessed with villain's play?

They'll do whatever they want. We just have to find ways to play better, as near optimal as possible.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding something here.

I'm loving learning the game, but I concentrate on my play, not others.

[pleno1]

im trying to learn and when people do things i dont understand i want to know why so that i can either a- exploit them, or b- immitate them.

those who just focus on themselves will generally not succeed, in poker at least. Although there is a close line, im focusing on his play but its to benefit my own play rather than to call him a muppet or a hero.

in holdem i spend maybe 15 hours a week looking at other players i play against and asking why. Thankfully ive done this for 5 years and know myself rather than having to ask others. But for PLO im lost so have to ask others for help.

Ill probably start playing 5 hours a week of plo and looking at the other guys for more than that.