starting or answering a thread in the staking forum.

[Eso Kral]

CLIFFS
Birdforum declares been looking around site for a while but not posted much
Starts posting a thread about staking
Annoys The Camel (legendary staker/stakee)
By Weds 15th September reaches 300 posts on the subject
Asks for staking into WSOPE main event

[The Captain]

It means Red dog that you have misquoted me twice,and it would be a bit daft of you to make it a treble.

[KarmaDope]

Sharplea good question. I dont have any problem with people in general asking for staking, a person will look at what he/she is being asked to stake and make a decision based on several factors.

What amazes me is people who can patently afford to buy into lets say a £1500 tourny selling shares or asking for staking?

If we go by traditional tournament bankrolls then, people need 100-200 x the buy in. Using your example, The Camel (for the tournament he posted a staking request for) would need £5k x 100-200, meaning his poker bankroll would be somewhere in the region of £500,000 to £1,000,000. Now I don't know the details of The Camel's personal bankroll, but I doubt it's that much.

Approximately 90% of players who play £1500 tourneys don't have the bankroll to play them. They're either "taking a shot", playing way out of their roll or they're staked to reduce variance. If they're staked, then to them it could be a £750 tourney dependent on how much they sell. They might have a bankroll for £750 tourneys.

[The Camel]

I think the staking thread is great on here. Getting Ironside into the wsope PLO event was legendary.

I would love it if Red Dog would put up a staking thread for the wsop main event. The event is tailor made for him and it would be a way of posters on here to say thankyou for his invaluable contribution to blondepoker over the last several years.

yes, there has been a couple of disappointments, but on the whole the staking forum is one the best features of blondepoker.

imo of course.

[RED-DOG]

It means Red dog, that you have misquoted me twice. The next time I see you, I'll buy you a treble.

[Chompy]

Great thread. WP everyone.

What are your thoughts on swapping percentages in tournaments Birders? Is this a good idea iyo?

[titaniumbean]

It means Red dog, that you have misquoted me twice. The next time I see you, I'll buy you a treble.

I lol'ed.

(but didn't post a smiley )

[The Captain]

Sharplea are you serious about 90% of poker players not affording the £1500?

Keith I agree the staking forum is fabulous value.

Red dog Its a deal.

[The Captain]

Great thread. WP everyone.

What are your thoughts on swapping percentages in tournaments Birders? Is this a good idea iyo?

Depends who with chumpy, on the whole I think its a good idea but beware there is the occasional childish girly poofter who sends schoolgirl texts to alleged friends and pisses them off .
I'll let you know if i see such a person.

[nirvana]

Sharplea are you serious about 90% of poker players not affording the £1500?

Keith I agree the staking forum is fabulous value.

Red dog Its a deal.

Chompy - fk off

FYP

[jakally]

I think there is a good debate to be had, as to whether staking is a sensible thing to be involved in.
It seems to have exploded within the poker community, in the last 2 - 3 years.

In truth, most staking that takes place is either -ev, or not as +ev as the staker (and stakee) believes.
(Even if a player is a winning player, by selling at 1.2, he is locking up the profit for himself, and the buyer can be purchasing at neutral ev).

Some of the staking that is on a larger scale basis, seems to be more ego driven - i.e. to have a 'stable' that you 'own'.

There are clearly instances which are more attractive - Camel, Jake Cody etc... by consensus seem to be good buys.

[The Camel]

Sharplea are you serious about 90% of poker players not affording the £1500?

Keith I agree the staking forum is fabulous value.

Red dog Its a deal.

Well, it's been a tough day. I lost about £700 of James Dempsey's money in the wsope £2500 six max tournament.

But at least I seem to have won you over Birdforum.

Really. it's a win win win.

[The Camel]

I think there is a good debate to be had, as to whether staking is a sensible thing to be involved in.
It seems to have exploded within the poker community, in the last 2 - 3 years.

In truth, most staking that takes place is either -ev, or not as +ev as the staker (and stakee) believes.
(Even if a player is a winning player, by selling at 1.2, he is locking up the profit for himself, and the buyer can be purchasing at neutral ev).

Some of the staking that is on a larger scale basis, seems to be more ego driven - i.e. to have a 'stable' that you 'own'.

There are clearly instances which are more attractive - Camel, Jake Cody etc... by consensus seem to be good buys.

This is a good post.

I think our staking forum is alot more sensible and rational than the one at 2+2.

Everyone seems to think they are winning players and able to sell at 1.3+

Every time I look there I make myself remember only about 5% of poker players are winners.. tough to believe from some of the proposals.

[The Captain]

I can from experience give you an example of a bitter pill swallowed by stakers including myself, its when you have staked an individual for a few k in several comps and they win one when you haven't staked them

Boy oh boy they have short memories.

[The Camel]

Birdforum, can I ask what your motive in making the original post was?

It still isn't exactly clear.

You thought I was out of order asking for staking when I could afford the buyin myself?

And the staking forum should be only used by players who couldn't afford to play?

Correct?