Sick spot early in $1kwcoop

[Royal Flush]

Yeah I suppose but he has 100% equity against the other holdings

He removed them from his oppos range though (rightly or wrongly he said he can't shove worse for value) so you expect him to call off with what he perceives to be 0% equity?

[outragous76]

Yeah I suppose but he has 100% equity against the other holdings

He removed them from his oppos range though (rightly or wrongly he said he can't shove worse for value) so you expect him to call off with what he perceives to be 0% equity?

Sorry, no I'm not articulating very well ( on phone). I guess the point I'm getting too is I sometimes make nitty folds of pp's that a reg never would. But here he is willing to put his opponent on 1 hand, thereby making it a nitty fold. He could choose to include the remainder of his opponents range and weight them.

It's like Trigg flippantly says he could be ahead of his opponents range ( on the flip), or he could be flipping. The point being he chooses to ingnore the times he is also 20% in that spot

Dunno, cant articulate my point, it's like a risk derisk arguement, where he is choosing, for whatever reasons to ignore some informtion

[pleno1]

beers + jagarbomb.

[Royal Flush]

Yeah I suppose but he has 100% equity against the other holdings

He removed them from his oppos range though (rightly or wrongly he said he can't shove worse for value) so you expect him to call off with what he perceives to be 0% equity?

Sorry, no I'm not articulating very well ( on phone). I guess the point I'm getting too is I sometimes make nitty folds of pp's that a reg never would. But here he is willing to put his opponent on 1 hand, thereby making it a nitty fold. He could choose to include the remainder of his opponents range and weight them.

It's like Trigg flippantly says he could be ahead of his opponents range ( on the flip), or he could be flipping. The point being he chooses to ingnore the times he is also 20% in that spot

Dunno, cant articulate my point, it's like a risk derisk arguement, where he is choosing, for whatever reasons to ignore some informtion

Your missing the point, Trigg see's it as impossible he is ahead here, he has 0% equity. I happen to disagree but Trigg made the right play given the read he made.

[Woodsey]

WTF? I'm too much of a fish to ever fold here.............

[titaniumbean]

Also if he can be flatting Q8s pre surely he is aware of and is planning to use 'post flop fold equity in a comp of this BI' then we've gotta stack off and imo he's probably doesn't turn up with   very often at all. So it's gotta be   or some combo of AQ/KQ/QJ. He obv never has JJ/33.

If he checks this river we are vbetting to get value from AQ/KQ right and ruling out QJ/QQ?


edit
assuming he has c/r turn with AQ/KQ is he really just c/f river and only shoving hands that beat you?


edit because I suck at typing and making sense.

[EvilPie]

Beer.

I genuinely hope you win this one.

I can see your thinking and it would be a great one to get right.

[outragous76]

beer

[action man]

guy im not flippantly thinking i could be ahead or flipping, im not calling if i think im a 20% shot. Im explaining why AK and 99 get it in here

[outragous76]

they both think their hands are infront of the others ranges of hands

trigg - the point of this sentence shows that you are satisifed it could be a flip - for 60-70bbs - thats fairly marginal for someone who doesnt play 40 tournies a day

so with the greatest respect it is kinda of flippant (really bad choice of word by me), to be getting stacks in here in a 99 type hand

[action man]

of course it could be a flip, i dont get your point? your saying getting 70bb in with 99 is wrong vs a player who could have all pairs and some funky sooted connectors is wrong? i dont know how the hand went down fwiw

[outragous76]

of course it could be a flip, i dont get your point? your saying getting 70bb in with 99 is wrong vs a player who could have all pairs and some funky sooted connectors is wrong? i dont know how the hand went down fwiw

never once have i said it was wrong

the poiint i am making is that someone who plays 40 tourneys a day will take this decision far more lightly than someone who doesnt on the grounds there is a good chance its a flip

thereby, logic should apply that a cooler is a cooler , call and move on (excepting that in this one specific spot, you have him on only  1 hand)

[action man]

thats why if u only play 1 tourney a day your in for a lot of disapointment.

if i decided that his range was AQ/KQ/QQ and decide to call and he shows up with quads then i would write it off as a cooler.

I came to the decision(rightly or wrongly)  that it was correct to fold in this spot, i wont be calling if i think im behind anytime soon.

[EvilPie]

Keys woulda called this with King high.

[MC]

Guy, I really don't understand what you're going on about!

I'm sure if Trigg was getting 2:1 on this call, and thought the dude had him beat no more than 65% of the time, then he would call.

The guy with 99 probably perceives he has greater than 50% equity against his opponent's range and that's why he gets it in.

A player who is willing to take a decisions lightly such as 99 due to multiple tables + is sometimes able to make a laydown when they think they are in a cooler > Player who folds because they are playing one table + always uses "meh if it's a cooler it's a cooler" rationale