The worst ruling I have ever seen and it's me who has to be the victim

[Skgv]

I doubt if more than 1% of footballers have read the laws of the game but I've never played with anyone who doesn't understand them

you don't need to have read a book to know that the situation in the op is ridid

not often i agree but VALID POINT
p.s dont know how to highlight in bold writing hense caps lock on!

[Skgv]

Simon Trumper says


"The correct ruling was made. However, in the interests of standardising rules we are going to look at the TDA rules for this situation and are prepared to consider altering our rule if its in the best interests of the game. We'll consider this ruling, and the actual situation of this post, at our next TD meeting"

Perfect, next case.

why good topic ? intersting why rules vary from north to south of england! An if there is a leading card room in the uk surely they should set the standard for the best of the best of rules being known throughout the UK?

[Jon MW]

Simon Trumper says


"The correct ruling was made. However, in the interests of standardising rules we are going to look at the TDA rules for this situation and are prepared to consider altering our rule if its in the best interests of the game. We'll consider this ruling, and the actual situation of this post, at our next TD meeting"

Perfect, next case.

I have no doubt that this was a correct ruling

If DTD's rule is worded as Tikay suggested they all usually are, the "right to act" is open to interpretation - and the "may lose" rather than "will lose" means there are 3 or 4 rulings that could have been applied and they all would be correct

The more pertinent question is whether this was the appropriate ruling for this circumstance.

[Boba Fett]

PS - Very well done on Thursday. You looked nailed on to scoop the first prize, but Mr J seemed to run "quite hot"!!

lol yeah ty ty, still feels like £2k lost though 

[doubleup]

Simon Trumper says


"The correct ruling was made. However, in the interests of standardising rules we are going to look at the TDA rules for this situation and are prepared to consider altering our rule if its in the best interests of the game. We'll consider this ruling, and the actual situation of this post, at our next TD meeting"

Perfect, next case.

I don't think so - lets have the text of the relevant rule please.

[Skgv]

Simon Trumper says


"The correct ruling was made. However, in the interests of standardising rules we are going to look at the TDA rules for this situation and are prepared to consider altering our rule if its in the best interests of the game. We'll consider this ruling, and the actual situation of this post, at our next TD meeting"

Perfect, next case.

I have no doubt that this was a correct ruling

If DTD's rule is worded as Tikay suggested they all usually are, the "right to act" is open to interpretation - and the "may lose" rather than "will lose" means there are 3 or 4 rulings that could have been applied and they all would be correct

The more pertinent question is whether this was the appropriate ruling for this circumstance.

i think by the length of the thread an the apparent proof that other places would of not killed hand it becomes clear commen sense was lacking here!

[TightEnd]

Big Charra


The Vic may well be the pre-eminent card-room in the country.....but if not even the Grosvenor estate uses the rules the Vic uses, then why is anyone else going to?

[gatso]

lets have the text of the relevant rule please.

can anyone find this? I've just looked through dtd's rules as published online and can't find anything referring to this situation. do they defer to tda rules if their own don't cover something?

in fact the only mention of a hand ever being ruled dead is after a countdown when a clock's been called

[Skgv]

Big Charra


The Vic may well be the pre-eminent card-room in the country.....but if not even the Grosvenor estate uses the rules the Vic uses, then why is anyone else going to?

mmm bit hostile there tighty !rofl not saying the vic is the top dog as like i said before every place has good points an bad points that will cater for differant clients but in London an generally in the Vic to be pacific has ovbvioulsy  more professinal poker players playing there for higher stakes so i would think there rules are more on par to please the Us an European clients that go through the doors an im trying to be non biased in the agument wheres i feel others maybe defending the ruling in the base of loyalty of Dtd as a club for saying the ruling is right ? Just my opionion !
This is not an attack at Dtd its an opinion of the rules being differant at 2 of the main Card rooms in the UK ?

[TightEnd]

Big Charra


The Vic may well be the pre-eminent card-room in the country.....but if not even the Grosvenor estate uses the rules the Vic uses, then why is anyone else going to?

mmm bit hostile there tighty !rofl not saying the vic is the top dog as like i said before every place has good points an bad points that will cater for differant clients but in London an generally in the Vic to be pacific has ovbvioulsy  more professinal poker players playing there for higher stakes so i would think there rules are more on par to please the Us an European clients that go through the doors an im trying to be non biased in the agument wheres i feel others maybe defending the ruling in the base of loyalty of Dtd as a club for saying the ruling is right ? Just my opionion !
This is not an attack at Dtd its an opinion of the rules being differant at 2 of the main Card rooms in the UK ?

Not hostile at all

I think standardisation is a good thing, and regard the Vic and DTD as 2 of the best rooms in the UK.

My point is that standardisation across different organisations is a way away, when even venues under the same ownersahip operate different rules..though this is down in this case to a Grosvenor corporate strategy that has each venue operating to "local" rules set by local management

[Sheriff Fatman]

The Vic may well be the pre-eminent card-room in the country.....but if not even the Grosvenor estate uses the rules the Vic uses, then why is anyone else going to?

But this posts demonstrates perfectly why a simple 'read the rules' response doesn't resolve the issue here.

The cardroom ruling may have been applied perfectly in this particular case.  The issue here is that the general sentiment of replies is one of surprise at this, and additionally that the principle of the rule applied is 'wrong'.

I'm grateful that the topic was raised, because I've learned something new today that I can, in theory, protect myself from in future.  The problem here is that, in my opinion, I can't adquately protect myself from angle-shooters wishing to take advantage of this rule as applied.

[Skgv]

Big Charra


The Vic may well be the pre-eminent card-room in the country.....but if not even the Grosvenor estate uses the rules the Vic uses, then why is anyone else going to?

mmm bit hostile there tighty !rofl not saying the vic is the top dog as like i said before every place has good points an bad points that will cater for differant clients but in London an generally in the Vic to be pacific has ovbvioulsy  more professinal poker players playing there for higher stakes so i would think there rules are more on par to please the Us an European clients that go through the doors an im trying to be non biased in the agument wheres i feel others maybe defending the ruling in the base of loyalty of Dtd as a club for saying the ruling is right ? Just my opionion !
This is not an attack at Dtd its an opinion of the rules being differant at 2 of the main Card rooms in the UK ?

Not hostile at all

I think standardisation is a good thing, and regard the Vic and DTD as 2 of the best rooms in the UK.

My point is that standardisation across different organisations is a way away, when even venues under the same ownersahip operate different rules..though this is down in this case to a Grosvenor corporate strategy that has each venue operating to "local" rules set by local management

just joking m8 its all toungue an cheek its just an tersting topic which surely long term may be beneficary because its about time the uk has standard rules for all clubs no matter who owns them as most of same people play all tours so can only benefit the clubs an players long term as a collective!

[George2Loose]

The Vic may well be the pre-eminent card-room in the country.....but if not even the Grosvenor estate uses the rules the Vic uses, then why is anyone else going to?

But this posts demonstrates perfectly why a simple 'read the rules' response doesn't resolve the issue here.

The cardroom ruling may have been applied perfectly in this particular case.  The issue here is that the general sentiment of replies is one of surprise at this, and additionally that the principle of the rule applied is 'wrong'.

I'm grateful that the topic was raised, because I've learned something new today that I can, in theory, protect myself from in future.  The problem here is that, in my opinion, I can't adquately protect myself from angle-shooters wishing to take advantage of this rule as applied.

Excellent point

[doubleup]

ok to be frank something stinks here.

It seems to me that because DtD have a big influence here, a legitimate grievance is being ignored by some senior figures on this forum.

[TightEnd]

Not at all, imo. I am at DTD and have spoken to two of the TDs and Simon Trumper about the thread..asked them to look at it and they have agreed to consider the thread/rule/situation


Whether they do so or not is nothing to do with me or any "senior" blonde figures, its up to DTD.


I've said I've seen this exact rule applied at DTD and other UK card-rooms, which I have, but equally understand the concerns which many express