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« Reply #30 on: October 02, 2010, 11:57:34 PM »

It's both totally real and in my experience a standard ruling in card-rooms I have visted

Yes, a dealer should be keeping the action in order, stopping the action if required.

The thinking behind the ruling is to stop a person gaining information by not acting. Granted in this instance that's not the intention.
Totally untrue an the ruling is 100% wrong. Simaliar problem arrived in vic cardroom 3 weeks ago when palyer had raised to £150 wheres the player b in seat 1 had yet 2 act but seat 2 folded an seat 3 an 4 had followed suit with me waiting for player b to act. Player b wanted to reraise to £450 but was not allowed but hand was deemed  live an he could only call preflop but all his actions were live after. Its the dealers responsibilty but also due to poor dealing standards the player must also be alert to action happening an help dealers if nescessery by pointing out errors which are common!


What is untrue? It happens to be the ruling at DTD
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« Reply #31 on: October 03, 2010, 12:02:04 AM »

anyway, I have asked Mr Trumper if he can take a look at all this.

He'll do a better job than me at talking it through
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« Reply #32 on: October 03, 2010, 12:02:31 AM »

Try to progress standardisation and you come up against "What's in it for us?" all over the place

For a start,with one set of easy to follow standardised rules, you will attract new players who have learned the rules at home and can now come and play live without fear of localised joke rulings that will confuse them and put them off ever playing live poker again

But i get your point

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« Reply #33 on: October 03, 2010, 12:04:20 AM »

Try to progress standardisation and you come up against "What's in it for us?" all over the place

For a start,with one set of easy to follow standardised rules, you will attract new players who have learned the rules at home and can now come and play live without fear of localised joke rulings that will confuse them and put them off ever playing live poker again

But i get your point



I agree.
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« Reply #34 on: October 03, 2010, 12:04:27 AM »

It's both totally real and in my experience a standard ruling in card-rooms I have visted

Yes, a dealer should be keeping the action in order, stopping the action if required.

The thinking behind the ruling is to stop a person gaining information by not acting. Granted in this instance that's not the intention.

Totally untrue an the ruling is 100% wrong. Simaliar problem arrived in vic cardroom 3 weeks ago when palyer had raised to £150 wheres the player b in seat 1 had yet 2 act but seat 2 folded an seat 3 an 4 had followed suit with me waiting for player b to act. Player b wanted to reraise to £450 but was not allowed but hand was deemed  live an he could only call preflop but all his actions were live after. Its the dealers responsibilty but also due to poor dealing standards the player must also be alert to action happening an help dealers if nescessery by pointing out errors which are common!


     
Not having a go tighty i meant u quoted card rooms you have visited so you are stating dtd have this ruling an which other card rooms do ? As the vic an dtd are the top 2 card rooms in the country you would guess the ruling would be same or simllar an as Grosenor casinos have the monoply on having most of the poker card rooms in the uk that all rulings are based on what the Vic rulings are!
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« Reply #35 on: October 03, 2010, 12:06:31 AM »

I have definitely played at Grosvenors and seen the rule, Charra.

I don't think, correct me if I am wrong, that two Grosvenors are guaranteed to have the same rules. Local club rules apply. Daft, but I believe that is the case.



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« Reply #36 on: October 03, 2010, 12:09:40 AM »

lol @ anyone who thinks that grosvenors have anything close to standardised rules. they`re by far the worst for having random local rules in each cardroom
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« Reply #37 on: October 03, 2010, 12:11:02 AM »

I have definitely played at Grosvenors and seen the rule, Charra.

I don't think, correct me if I am wrong, that two Grosvenors are guaranteed to have the same rules. Local club rules apply. Daft, but I believe that is the case.




True ! i think u right there as the local players tend to influence the rules they want until somethng complicated happens wheres in the old days they would ring the vic up for the ruling! Its quite funny if the same ruling had been given that his hand was dead as the guy that wasnt allowed to reraise was livid as HOW CAN BETTING OUT OF TURN BE ALLOWED AN MUST STAND but not being allowed to reraise or even worse your hand being declared dead because of dealing or players incompetence be fair play?
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« Reply #38 on: October 03, 2010, 12:12:04 AM »

yeah i remeber grosvenor had this for a while, if 3 actions where made after you or something you where punished for not keeping your head in the game as you would have been given info on peolpe flatting etc
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« Reply #39 on: October 03, 2010, 12:13:59 AM »

anyway, I have asked Mr Trumper if he can take a look at all this.

He'll do a better job than me at talking it through

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« Reply #40 on: October 03, 2010, 12:15:34 AM »

Try to progress standardisation and you come up against "What's in it for us?" all over the place

For a start,with one set of easy to follow standardised rules, you will attract new players who have learned the rules at home and can now come and play live without fear of localised joke rulings that will confuse them and put them off ever playing live poker again

But i get your point



but its the interpretation of the rules that will still get challanged. and who's rules should we all follow? Grosvenor as they where the main legal poker provider until it became mainstream again, dtd because they are now the best in the uk or maybe bring them iun from over the pond?
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« Reply #41 on: October 03, 2010, 12:22:02 AM »

I have definitely played at Grosvenors and seen the rule, Charra.

I don't think, correct me if I am wrong, that two Grosvenors are guaranteed to have the same rules. Local club rules apply. Daft, but I believe that is the case.




True ! i think u right there as the local players tend to influence the rules they want until somethng complicated happens wheres in the old days they would ring the vic up for the ruling! Its quite funny if the same ruling had been given that his hand was dead as the guy that wasnt allowed to reraise was livid as HOW CAN BETTING OUT OF TURN BE ALLOWED AN MUST STAND but not being allowed to reraise or even worse your hand being declared dead because of dealing or players incompetence be fair play?
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« Reply #42 on: October 03, 2010, 12:29:06 AM »

Try to progress standardisation and you come up against "What's in it for us?" all over the place

For a start,with one set of easy to follow standardised rules, you will attract new players who have learned the rules at home and can now come and play live without fear of localised joke rulings that will confuse them and put them off ever playing live poker again

But i get your point



but its the interpretation of the rules that will still get challanged. and who's rules should we all follow? Grosvenor as they where the main legal poker provider until it became mainstream again, dtd because they are now the best in the uk or maybe bring them iun from over the pond?
When you say best ! What do you mean? Small buy in toruneys or high buy in tourneys ? smalll stakes cash games or high stakes cash games? For Decor or Cardroom presenation ? Food or standard of waitress service ? When you say the best the best for what exactly as the best for you may not be the same for others as every club i have been to have good points an bad points its just about your personal preference!  Also you cant go far wrong if you just follow the US rules as its there game we are playing !
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« Reply #43 on: October 03, 2010, 12:46:34 AM »

Try to progress standardisation and you come up against "What's in it for us?" all over the place

For a start,with one set of easy to follow standardised rules, you will attract new players who have learned the rules at home and can now come and play live without fear of localised joke rulings that will confuse them and put them off ever playing live poker again

But i get your point



but its the interpretation of the rules that will still get challanged. and who's rules should we all follow? Grosvenor as they where the main legal poker provider until it became mainstream again, dtd because they are now the best in the uk or maybe bring them iun from over the pond?
When you say best ! What do you mean? Small buy in toruneys or high buy in tourneys ? smalll stakes cash games or high stakes cash games? For Decor or Cardroom presenation ? Food or standard of waitress service ? When you say the best the best for what exactly as the best for you may not be the same for others as every club i have been to have good points an bad points its just about your personal preference!  Also you cant go far wrong if you just follow the US rules as its there game we are playing !


totally agree, would once and for all put an end to these repetative "ruling" arguements.......the money that goes thru doors in live poker in the uk must be huge, its about time the players put their foot down and demanded "set" rules....
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« Reply #44 on: October 03, 2010, 01:46:47 AM »

IMHO
dealers fault I'm fed up with dealers making mistakes
and the players being held responcable for dealers mistakes
we pay for dealers cash/tourney

lots of dealers learn the game and take more notice

just a thought if you were playing blackjack
the dealer always make sure whether you stand or take a card
why not in poker
dealers fault
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