APAT Issues: Rules/Payouts/deals

[TightEnd]

Fair enough, perhaps I notice those factors less than you do. Certainly no one should have a problem expressing their view within APAT. I wasn't aware that people did

Leave it with me, I might have to start a thread or two.

[StuartHopkin]

There are a few reg members- name no names, who jump on any person or point that is deemed to be disloyal to APAT. Good points Claire

Your just making it sound like fun now George

[Claw75]

Fair enough, perhaps I notice those factors less than you do. Certainly no one should have a problem expressing their view within APAT. I wasn't aware that people did

Leave it with me, I might have to start a thread or two.

thanks.  I don't think it's so much about people having problems expressing their views, more not wanting to get involved in discussions about things they don't feel they have any power to influence, so no need to upset the applecart. (an anonymous poll probably wouldn't go amiss though!)

[George2Loose]

There are a few reg members- name no names, who jump on any person or point that is deemed to be disloyal to APAT. Good points Claire

Your just making it sound like fun now George

The pertinant point is Stu, and it is an important one. I have no idea why I care about APAT pay out structures because I have never even remotely been near one in about 5 years.

[gatso]

apat forum is very similar to the sky forum in that both are tend to be a bit of a love in

look at the views on here where people will talk openly about apat and most apat members seem to not like the payout/deal situation

[Claw75]

There are a few reg members- name no names, who jump on any person or point that is deemed to be disloyal to APAT. Good points Claire

Your just making it sound like fun now George

The pertinant point is Stu, and it is an important one. I have no idea why I care about APAT pay out structures because I have never even remotely been near one in about 5 years.

lol - same here.

[The Camel]

Surely the best way to discourage deals is to have a very flat payout structure, not the opposite.

[TightEnd]

apat forum is very similar to the sky forum in that both are tend to be a bit of a love in

look at the views on here where people will talk openly about apat and most apat members seem to not like the payout/deal situation

it is true that apat members who went to apat via blonde, and still mostly post on blonde are more anti,yes. 

[George2Loose]

Surely the best way to discourage deals is to have a very flat payout structure, not the opposite.

Keith u probably need to read up a bit more on APAT. The payout structure is extremley flat. So much so it pays the SAME for everyone finising 4th-9th

[Rod]

I can see peoples points about deal making and prize structure in APAT. In fact it probably should be allowed at this point, as the added value makes the pay structure top heavy enough. I also disagree with it being allowed in the APAT pro events but I don't play them so can't really be bothered to get into an argument about them.

One thing that I would say is that I am not aware of many of the APAT players being that unhappy with it. APAT is clearly for amateurs, and the players ARE interested in the medals almost as much as the prize money, don't underestimate their importance (this would be different for pros I know). The good thing about the structure of an APAT is that it does encourage players to become more aggressive to go for the top spot. This should lead to better poker being played. Most players of APAT level could do with learning a bit more aggression (I include myself in that) so the rules help players get better in that way.

I have spoken to quite a few APAT regulars recently and most of them are quite happy with the structure, although I suspect most would not be opposed to deal making being allowed or the payout table being flatter.

One thing though. APAT would have to ensure the casino allows the tournament to be played out for the medal whatever deal is done. Winning a gold medal as part of a deal would devalue them.

$%^& - in the time I typed this post 12 new replies to this thread, it is a good thread though (or is it now two threads?)

[gatso]

apat forum is very similar to the sky forum in that both are tend to be a bit of a love in

look at the views on here where people will talk openly about apat and most apat members seem to not like the payout/deal situation

it is true that apat members who went to apat via blonde, and still mostly post on blonde are more anti,yes.  

and blonde is presumably the main independent place where apat matters are discussed? or is there somewhere else I don`t know of where the predominant view is that apat have it right?

[TightEnd]

apat forum is very similar to the sky forum in that both are tend to be a bit of a love in

look at the views on here where people will talk openly about apat and most apat members seem to not like the payout/deal situation

it is true that apat members who went to apat via blonde, and still mostly post on blonde are more anti,yes.  

and blonde is presumably the main independent place where apat matters are discussed? or is there somewhere else I don`t know of where the predominant view is that apat have it right?

again, fair point..though it could be discussed anywhere

However the APAT forum is or should be independent in the sense that you, or anyone, can post a view against the status quo on there easily enough and it can be debated. Even if you think it's "Stepford" like!

I remember in 2005-2007 when the knock against blonde was it was the "Stepford Wives" forum. Sky and APAT will go there soon enough...its the life cycle of forums...

[George2Loose]

My main reason for the payout structure always has been is that APAT is supposed to be a training ground for amateur players. A step toward moving up. Laddering a final or playing FTW is a huge part of a tournament and is completely ignored in a sense with the payout structure as it stands. I believe, after 5 seasons, it's time to change it to be a proper payout structure. However I think most either disagree or a apathetic to the issue altho im not sure why

[The Camel]

Surely the best way to discourage deals is to have a very flat payout structure, not the opposite.

Keith u probably need to read up a bit more on APAT. The payout structure is extremley flat. So much so it pays the SAME for everyone finising 4th-9th

Oh, someone on the thread wrote the jumps were pretty steep.

Sorry.

[byronkincaid]

apat forum is very similar to the sky forum in that both are tend to be a bit of a love in

look at the views on here where people will talk openly about apat and most apat members seem to not like the payout/deal situation

all the apat organisers work for sky don't they?