Just calling with the nuts on river rule

[alfiesdad]

Is there some kind of rule about only calling with the stone cold nuts on the river when you could raise and if so what is the penalty? Cheers

[GreekStein]

Tom Rutter made a really good post about it if someone can be arsed to find it.

[Longy]

Darvin Moon got penalised for this in this years main event. He had to sit out the next hand.

[tikay]

Darvin Moon got penalised for this in this years main event. He had to sit out the next hand.

The whole of the next hand?

[rudders]

If you are last to act you must be penalised- one orbit is fair maybe.. If others still to act to could argue that you are looking for action behind. If someone did it though I would like to know if there is any relationship with the person you have just called (friend/brother /% etc).

[NoflopsHomer]

If you think opponent is bet/folding river and want to find out what his hand is, surely there should be no penalty for flat-calling?

[Cf]

If you think opponent is bet/folding river and want to find out what his hand is, surely there should be no penalty for flat-calling?

Exactly. Especially early on in a comp where the pot is tiny anyway you might decide the information you'll gather is more important than an extra few hundred chips.

[Cf]

That said. Late on in a comp if someone bets half their stack on the river and you flat call with the nuts I'm certainly calling the TD on you and accusing you of collusion.

Depends on the situation.

[Hairydude]

What about if its in your interest to keep a short stack in the tournament rather than knock them out?

[gatso]

If you think opponent is bet/folding river and want to find out what his hand is, surely there should be no penalty for flat-calling?

Exactly. Especially early on in a comp where the pot is tiny anyway you might decide the information you'll gather is more important than an extra few hundred chips.

but how much of a dick do you look when they look all pissed off cos they'd bet the 2nd nuts hoping to induce you to come over the top?

[acc2020]

My work colleague flat called my river bet when he had the nut staight with JQ , i had the same hand too.

One person kicked up a fuss , the whole table ignored him and carried on playing.

Is there any casinos which actually apply penalties ? Everybody mentions them but i've never seen one applied.

[Cf]

If you think opponent is bet/folding river and want to find out what his hand is, surely there should be no penalty for flat-calling?

Exactly. Especially early on in a comp where the pot is tiny anyway you might decide the information you'll gather is more important than an extra few hundred chips.

but how much of a dick do you look when they look all pissed off cos they'd bet the 2nd nuts hoping to induce you to come over the top?

I'm not saying it's something I'd do. Go for the raise every time imo. But I can see why people might do it so just making a universal you must bet the nuts rule is stupid and serves no purpose imo. Just investigate each situation as it comes.

[Cf]

My work colleague flat called my river bet when he had the nut staight with JQ , i had the same hand too.

One person kicked up a fuss , the whole table ignored him and carried on playing.

Is there any casinos which actually apply penalties ? Everybody mentions them but i've never seen one applied.

If I was running things I'd definitely be asking why he only called. Don't know the full situation but pretty sure that if his answer even hinted at "he's my friend" then his penalty would be disqualification. I'd also be keeping an eye on you both to make sure you weren't doing anything else dodgy.

DTD give out penalties. Other casinos are too scared to.

[acc2020]

He flat called because he was a proper begginner. Nothing sinister.

Disq

[acc2020]

Disqualification seems a bit harsh , a lot of "locals" seem to softplay each other