River Desicion?

[SuuPRlim]

Seat 1: mt1yy ( $50.00 USD )
Seat 2: 1quepasa1 ( $186.36 USD )
Seat 3: lildavefish ( $168.90 USD )
Seat 4: giorgos691 ( $76.24 USD )
Seat 5: GoZuAAA ( $135.65 USD )
Seat 6: xKARDIEx ( $87.96 USD )
xKARDIEx posts small blind [$0.50 USD].
mt1yy posts big blind [$1.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to lildavefish [  As ]
1quepasa1 raises [$3 USD]
lildavefish raises [$10.50 USD]
giorgos691 folds
GoZuAAA folds
xKARDIEx folds
mt1yy folds
1quepasa1 calls [$7.50 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ , , ]
1quepasa1 checks
lildavefish bets [$17.00 USD]
1quepasa1 calls [$17.00 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ ]
1quepasa1 checks
lildavefish checks
** Dealing River ** [ ]
1quepasa1 checks
lildavefish bets [$40.00 USD]
1quepasa1 raises [$156.86 USD]

lildavefish ?

Thoughts on this particular river spot

[AlexMartin]

think the turn is more interesting tbh.

[SuuPRlim]

think the turn is more interesting tbh.

agreed turn is strange not to bet, but whats the river line call/fold?

[Patonius2000]

think the turn is more interesting tbh.

+1. I think you probably have to bet call this turn. Our hand seems way too vulnerable to check and we let him realise his equity with hands that run very close to ours and that would probably make bad folds on the turn. Bet fold also seems like a disaster play given we leave ourself with >2/1 if we pot the turn.

Assuming readless on the river you generally want to be calling anyone who seems to be a reg and folding vs most fish.

I quite seriously dislike pre flop as well. I said seriously because it usually gets ignored when people say don't like pre flop, but just so you know, I'm serious.

[SuuPRlim]

rob, id really like you to stop pissing about and tell me what you think about the preflop play in this hand

[Ironside]

I call he has 4 hands 3 you beat aaxx kkxx qqxx and some sort of hand like 789t

[Patonius2000]

rob, id really like you to stop pissing about and tell me what you think about the preflop play in this hand

I thought I already did?! I guess you want reasons, here are some:
- Your hand is behind a typical utg opening range in terms of raw equity, i describe typical as the top 10-15% of hands.
- You can get 4bet by the opener/behind you, both of which suck.
- Even though you are in position because of the first reason you are going to flop a lot of slightly worse made hands or draws that you now have to stack off with.

That's bascially it, your hand just isn't very good and I'd usually fold it to a utg open. Sometimes you can get away with playing 3b pots with slightly weaker than value range hands but utg/utg1 should not be that time.

[pleno1]

I think is the Ace came out as    instead of As Patanious would call, sooooooo pretty

[SuuPRlim]

I call he has 4 hands 3 you beat aaxx kkxx qqxx and some sort of hand like 789t

we certainly dont beat QQ.

you think he c/jams AA and KK? at which point he would essentially be bluffing no?

[Ironside]

As I said you beat 3 of his 4 hands you only lose to QQ

[SuuPRlim]

As I said you beat 3 of his 4 hands you only lose to QQ

aarrrr you did ye, sorry

do yo rele think he c/jams AA/KK though? surely he'd be turning his hand into a bluff? and would he not 4bet AAxx pre?
are you saying that as he is polarized now to QQ (poss JJ) or air now, if we give him any credit for being able to turn a hand into a bluff we should call? what range does he c/c the turn with that now has to bluff in your opinion?

[Ironside]

can you narrow his range to QQ only?

how often does he have QQ?

if you think he has QQ less than 65% of the time then its a call

i dont know the player i dont know what he thinks of you so cant answer  this

but AA KK hands like the small pair on river giving them 2 pair and counterfitting your 2 pair hands

also alot of people get over excited by trips and straights a hand like 789T might check  on turn with nuts hoping to check raise

but as i have no read on the players involved in hands i cant say 100% hand on heart but the player would have to be a huge nit for me to fold the river

[Dubai]

Just so people know, villain actually has JJxx more than he has QQxx where xx is norm 2 from 89TQ.

[Ironside]

Just so people know, villain actually has JJxx more than he has QQxx where xx is norm 2 from 89TQ.

Jj89 makes a lot of sense still don't know if I am folding unless he is a.nit or I have been playing like a nit

[NoflopsHomer]

Puke spot, I don't want to fold a full house here after we checked back turn but at the same time I don't think many people have stones to CRAI as a bluff on the river.