Prose from a Poshboy

[cambridgealex]

Yes, get Reg A in this thread imo

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[Honeybadger]

I struggle to understand the mindset of those who don't like it when the double/triple/quadruple straddles start coming out. Just don't put the double straddle on yourself... no-one will mind! And tbh if you are a nice person no-one will really mind if you don't even put the single straddle on, especially if you are not winning in the game or it is known you are on a short roll.

In the meantime, you get to play in a game in which many of your opponents are putting £4/£8/£16 into the pot in a £1/2 game without having seen their cards! What could you possibly object to about that? If you are short-rolled and shot-taking this is the OPTIMUM time for you to be in the game! You get to only put £3 in a round (or sometimes £7 if you are happy to place the single straddle occasionally), yet your opponents are sometimes putting £31 in per round. Plus they then often get psychologically attached to their straddled pots and feel they need to defend their island whatever the cost may be. It is a hugely +EV situation for you if you are having a shot at a bigger game. When shot-taking you should try to get the most 'bang for your buck'. These are the ways in which you build your roll - gambling in the most +EV spots.

Yes, you have to tighten up. And yes, you don't get to see lots of flops and 'play poker through the streets'. But on the other hand, when you do find a great hand you are very likely to get huge action on it. It just takes a couple of these end of night straddle fests to go right for you and suddenly you find you have a much bigger roll and might even be able to continue playing the bigger games indefinitely.

[Fish]

very narrow minded to feel that if people win cash off you that they should immediately leave DTD , sure DTD who look after their regular players very well as far as i can see would be grateful if they did spend some of there money on the premises, DONTBITETHEHANDTHATFEEDSYOU
 these kind of attitudes is what puts a lot of players from the surrounding areas Leics etc from taking the trips to notts, I sometimes think Alex that your're attitude towards 'your' cash game is quite naive.

[Honeybadger]

very narrow minded to feel that if people win cash off you that they should immediately leave DTD , sure DTD who look after their regular players very well as far as i can see would be grateful if they did spend some of there money on the premises, DONTBITETHEHANDTHATFEEDSYOU
 these kind of attitudes is what puts a lot of players from the surrounding areas Leics etc from taking the trips to notts, I sometimes think Alex that your're attitude towards 'your' cash game is quite naive.

I think you have misunderstood Alex's point. He is definitely not saying that visiting players should go straight home once they quit the game. Nor is he saying that recreational players (or even wannabe pros just starting out) should not do this. The only people he is saying this about are the winning regulars in a particular game. If you (or anyone else) came and played in Alex's game, won a chunk of money from him, then quit the game but hung around chatting to your mates... Alex would not have a problem with it in the slightest. But he is suggesting that he should not do that if he wins a chunk of money from you, and neither should the other winning regulars in the game. That is all he is saying.

I personally don't have especially strong feelings on this particular point tbh. It can often be fine to quit a game and hang around for a bit. But it can often be a really misjudged and inappropriate thing to do. It all depends on the situation rather than following a set of etiquette rules. You use your social intelligence to know when quitting but hanging around chatting is fine, and to know when it is going to make some players feel aggrieved.

[Honeybadger]

I know what you are saying. It can be hard to refuse to put the double straddle on when you have 3 people with a shorter stack than you all wanting to make it a mandatory quadruple straddle. You can feel a bit pressured sometimes and you don't want to look like the 'party pooper' especially when you have the biggest stack at the table...

Any thinner?

I think it is pretty classy to be prepared to place the single straddle if you are winning nicely at the table and everyone else is straddling, especially if many players are double/treble straddling. I don't think anyone puts serious pressure on players to double straddle - they often suggest it, but accept it if that person does not want to. Especially if that person is happy to place the single straddle. A lot of the 'party pooper' pressure you feel is likely coming from inside you. I do understand how you feel though, and I used to feel like that myself at times.

On the other hand, they are putting £16 into the pot before they have even been dealt their cards... IMO you should be prepared to swallow an occasional tiny bit of social discomfort when they are doing this

[Woodsey]

I know what you are saying. It can be hard to refuse to put the double straddle on when you have 3 people with a shorter stack than you all wanting to make it a mandatory quadruple straddle. You can feel a bit pressured sometimes and you don't want to look like the 'party pooper' especially when you have the biggest stack at the table...

Any thinner?

I think it is pretty classy to be prepared to place the single straddle if you are winning nicely at the table and everyone else is straddling, especially if many players are double/treble straddling. I don't think anyone puts serious pressure on players to double straddle - they often suggest it, but accept it if that person does not want to. Especially if that person is happy to place the single straddle. A lot of the 'party pooper' pressure you feel is likely coming from inside you. I do understand how you feel though, and I used to feel like that myself at times.

On the other hand, they are putting £16 into the pot before they have even been dealt their cards... IMO you should be prepared to swallow an occasional tiny bit of social discomfort when they are doing this

Stop justifying being such a fking nit!! 

[Honeybadger]

Lol @ Woodsey <3

[Woodsey]

Lol @ Woodsey <3

In fairness Alex has given everyone some great tips on how to tilt him up 

All the regs should quietly agree to instaquit and go to the bar one night when Alex has done a grand early doors 

[cambridgealex]

very narrow minded to feel that if people win cash off you that they should immediately leave DTD , sure DTD who look after their regular players very well as far as i can see would be grateful if they did spend some of there money on the premises, DONTBITETHEHANDTHATFEEDSYOU
 these kind of attitudes is what puts a lot of players from the surrounding areas Leics etc from taking the trips to notts, I sometimes think Alex that your're attitude towards 'your' cash game is quite naive.

I think you have misunderstood Alex's point. He is definitely not saying that visiting players should go straight home once they quit the game. Nor is he saying that recreational players (or even wannabe pros just starting out) should not do this. The only people he is saying this about are the winning regulars in a particular game. If you (or anyone else) came and played in Alex's game, won a chunk of money from him, then quit the game but hung around chatting to your mates... Alex would not have a problem with it in the slightest. But he is suggesting that he should not do that if he wins a chunk of money from you, and neither should the other winning regulars in the game. That is all he is saying.

I personally don't have especially strong feelings on this particular point tbh. It can often be fine to quit a game and hang around for a bit. But it can often be a really misjudged and inappropriate thing to do. It all depends on the situation rather than following a set of etiquette rules. You use your social intelligence to know when quitting but hanging around chatting is fine, and to know when it is going to make some players feel aggrieved.

Just what I was going to write, thanks!

[cambridgealex]

@Stu, yes it should be very profitable to be playing with many straddles when people are playing loose and splashing about, but crucially, it's very high variance, and when someone has spun up their £500 into £1500 and it could now all be on the line, perhaps correct to get it in with say top pair or the nut flush draw if the pots get so big pre, it makes people uncomfortable, even if it is more profitable.

A few months ago there was the most incredible game at DTD. £1/2 but it was huge. £4k stacks and it was a VERY profitable game. £1600 went in pre with 88, hundreds going in blind pre, you know the sort of game. My jaw dropped as two regs left the game to go and play a smaller game. If they had the right mindset, flawless mental game and were rolled enough for it, their hourly could've been well over £100 perhaps more, compared to a probable hourly of 5-10 times smaller in the other game.

But it was just too high variance for them and they didn't want to get in £400 with AJ when there had been a blind raise to £200. Each to their own, but that's just how lots of people feel.

[Honeybadger]

Stop justifying being such a fking nit!! 

I never have a problem putting a single or double straddle on. I don't personally like putting £16 in a 1/1 game though.

And that comment is what I'm talking about

Don't worry Melissa... that comment was aimed at me, not you lol!

[Woodsey]

Stop justifying being such a fking nit!!  

I never have a problem putting a single or double straddle on. I don't personally like putting £16 in a 1/1 game though.

And that comment is what I'm talking about

Don't worry Melissa... that comment was aimed at me, not you lol!

Er...yeah, sorry if that wasn't clear, there's only 1 Stu Barnit  

[kinboshi]

I completely understand the whole hit and run thing. No-one likes that.

As someone who plays at DTD a few nights a week and when winning, very often stays until close and doesn't get up and 'lock' my win. I do find it a bit disappointing that people are basically saying that when a game gets too big for your roll to either 'put up with it or go home'. It is very rare that I get uncomfortable in a game, but if on the odd occasion I do and there is a smaller game running, surely people should respect that?

That isn't going to encourage new people to come to DTD or move to play in the higher games, where they know this is people's attitude.

Melissa, they're not saying you should do that at all.  They're saying the big, winning regs at the 1/2 shouldn't do that.

[Honeybadger]

I completely understand the whole hit and run thing. No-one likes that.

As someone who plays at DTD a few nights a week and when winning, very often stays until close and doesn't get up and 'lock' my win. I do find it a bit disappointing that people are basically saying that when a game gets too big for your roll to either 'put up with it or go home'. It is very rare that I get uncomfortable in a game, but if on the odd occasion I do and there is a smaller game running, surely people should respect that?

That isn't going to encourage new people to come to DTD or move to play in the higher games, where they know this is people's attitude.

Melissa, they're not saying you should do that at all.  They're saying the big, winning regs at the 1/2 shouldn't do that.

Exactly. Alex is saying that HE should not do that. Neither should Mitch etc etc. That is ALL he is saying.

[Honeybadger]

Er...yeah, sorry if that wasn't clear, there's only 1 Stu Barnit  

Genius :-)