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« Reply #180 on: January 17, 2011, 04:29:59 PM »

Found this article interesting and thought it would be rude not to share here.

'What is it about Howard Webb and Old Trafford' asked the front-page blurb
of F365 after Sunday's rather controversial FA Cup clash. Well now you can
judge for yourself with our guide to his last ten matches at OT...
 
Man United 1 Man City 2, February 10, 2008
City's victory is more comfortable than the scoreline suggests - United
score their goal in injury-time - and Webb enjoys a relatively easy day at
the office. The game marks the last time that United fail to win a game at
Old Trafford officiated by the Yorkshireman.
 
Man 2 United Arsenal 1, April 19, 2008
There is little argument from the Arsenal players - five of whom are booked
during the 90 minutes - when William Gallas handles in the area and Webb
awards a penalty that sees Cristiano Ronaldo equalise from the spot. Ten
minutes later, Owen Hargreaves - remember him? - scores United's winner
direct from a free-kick.
"You could give or not give the penalty. For the free-kick, Gilberto did
not touch him," complains Arsene Wenger.
 
Man United 3 Chelsea 0, January 11, 2009
Less than 48 hours after Rafa Benitez advises Luiz Felipe Scolari to
"man-mark" Ferguson and his coaching staff at half-time so that the referee
is protected from interference, Webb cautions four Chelsea players within
half an hour before a Nemanja Vidic header on the stroke of half-time sets
United on their way to an emphatic victory.
Just moments before the Vidic goal, Webb had ruled out a Wayne Rooney
'goal' after United had taken a short corner that went unnoticed by most
spectators inside Old Trafford.
 
Man United 2 Blackburn 1, February 21, 2009
Webb disallows a Jonny Evans header and cautions Cristiano Ronaldo for
diving shortly before the forward scores the game's winning goal. Rovers
complain afterwards that Ronaldo should have also been booked for flicking
out - it hardly amounts to a kick - at David Dunn but the game's most
controversial moment occurs in the final seconds when a clear shirt-pull
inside the area by Rafael on Morten Gamst Pedersen goes unpunished.
"It would have to be pretty blatant to get a penalty at Old Trafford. We
all know that," rages an angry Sam Allardyce. "You'd have to ask Howard
Webb if Ronaldo should have been on the pitch. Those things come and go
when you're playing at Old Trafford, don't they?"
 
Man United 5 Tottenham 2, April 24, 2009
In the words of the Daily Telegraph, 'it could have been the decision that
secured United the championship'. United are trailing 2-0 with barely half
an hour left to play when Webb - 'who was almost 35 yards away, and behind
play' - awards a penalty when Heurelho Gomes tangles with Michael Carrick.
Replays clearly show the goalkeeper took ball before man. "The players
can't believe it," says Harry Redknapp. "It changed the game." Momentum
shifted, Spurs collapse and United never looked back.
"I think it was a case of a referee crumbling under the pressure at Old
Trafford really," complains Jermaine Jenas. "The atmosphere, the occasion,
the importance of the match, a lot of factors take their toll when making
decisions. One thing which struck me about it was that he didn't even
think. It was like he'd already made his mind up when he came out for the
second half that he was going to give something. It was a very important
moment in the season."
 
Man United 3 Man City 1, January 27, 2010
Webb makes his first return to Old Trafford since the Gomes controversy for
the second-leg Carling Cup semi-final. United eventually progress to
Wembley courtesy of an injury-time aggregate winner from Wayne Rooney, but
the outcome could have been very different had Rio Ferdinand justifiably
received his marching orders after 24 minutes of play after a clash with
Carlos Tevez.
In the words of the BBC match report, 'Ferdinand was fortunate to escape
punishment from referee Howard Webb when he caught the Argentine in the
face with a swinging arm as they tussled for possession.'
 
Man United 2 Liverpool 1, March 21, 2010
Sir Alex Ferguson and Rafa Benitez clash on the touchline after Webb awards
the home side a controversial 19th-minute penalty that enables the
champions to draw level after Fernando Torres' early opener.
With replays also showing that the initial contact between Javier
Mascherano and Antonio Valencia occurred outside of the box, Benitez
accuses the United player of diving to win the penalty. Ferguson responds
by applauding Webb's decision and arguing Mascherano should have been
dismissed. "Refs are professional but we know about the influence of Sir
Alex in everything," counters Benitez.
 
Man United 3 Liverpool 2, September 19, 2010
Though Liverpool claw their way back into the match through two disputed
decisions, neither call is made by Webb. "They didn't offer anything and
depended on decisions from the linesman to get back in the game," notes Sir
Alex. With Darren Cann flagging for both infringements, and replays
offering no evidence that Webb would have awarded either the free-kick or
the penalty from which Steven Gerrard scores, the referee's big decision of
the day is whether or not to dismiss last man John O'Shea for pulling back
Fernando Torres.
As F365 argued at the time: 'The decision was taken quickly and apparently
made without any consultation between Webb and Darren Cann, his long-time
assistant whose flag-waving prompted the award of a free-kick. Ref365
argues in support of Webb on the basis that replays 'suggest' Torres would
not have reached the ball. Denied the use of a replay, it must have been a
50-50 call from the officials and it's certainly debatable whether a
defender making such a cynical foul in the full knowledge that he was the
last man deserved the benefit of any doubt.'
 
Man United 1 Arsenal 0, December 13, 2010
Cann is not on duty and it is Webb's new assistant Dave Bryan who awards
United a second-half penalty for a non-existent handball by Gael Clichy.
Webb rubber-stamps the award and justice - or something close to it - is
only served when Rooney blazes over the ball.
Four of the visitors are cautioned over the course of the game, while Rio
Ferdinand escapes punishment for a hip-high, studs-up challenge on Bacary
Sagna and Darren Fletcher isn't even cautioned for chasing after Webb
before pushing the official.
 
Man United 1 Liverpool 0, January 9, 2011
In sharp contrast to events six months previously, it is Webb, from a
distance of around 25 yards, who awards United their match-winning penalty
for an alleged offence that occurs on almost exactly the same part of the
pitch that saw Cann award Liverpool their penalty at Old Trafford in
September. Replays indicate that Berbatov falls to the ground in an
exaggerated fashion and show that Webb linesman did not signal that any
foul took place. "The penalty is a joke," says new Pool boss Kenny
Dalglish.
The Scot is further aggrieved by Webb's decision to dismiss Steven Gerrard
but there is little sympathy for the Liverpool captain after his reckless
lunge.
 
 
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« Reply #181 on: January 17, 2011, 04:36:01 PM »

So he only made mistakes in Utd's favour in the last 8 out of the last 10 matches? That's not too bad.
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« Reply #182 on: January 17, 2011, 05:05:28 PM »

Apparently he was biassed towards Spain too

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/worldcup2010/article-1293917/WORLD-CUP-2010-Holland-0-Spain-1--Dirty-Dutch-whine-Webb-bias.html

Seriously though, 'we wuz robbed' is the oldest cry in football
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« Reply #183 on: January 17, 2011, 05:13:52 PM »

Apparently he was biassed towards Spain too

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/worldcup2010/article-1293917/WORLD-CUP-2010-Holland-0-Spain-1--Dirty-Dutch-whine-Webb-bias.html

Seriously though, 'we wuz robbed' is the oldest cry in football

lol, that might just have been V Marwijk in the heat of the moment. Noone in Holland actually said this. (mainly because we missed most of the match as our heads were in our hands with shame at some of the challenges)
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« Reply #184 on: January 17, 2011, 07:28:31 PM »

Interestingly, and the whole thing is probably ripe for a tl;dr, Howard Webb is statistically prioven to 'favour' Liverpool almost as much as United

If you're researching from a Gooner perspective that is...

http://blog.emiratesstadium.info/archives/8938
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« Reply #185 on: January 17, 2011, 07:33:45 PM »

Why shouldn't I believe?

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I know you mentioned it, but there is no but



Is it ghey to get a semi when looking at that picture?

Probably but only a semi?
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« Reply #186 on: January 17, 2011, 09:33:29 PM »

Apparently he was biassed towards Spain too

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/worldcup2010/article-1293917/WORLD-CUP-2010-Holland-0-Spain-1--Dirty-Dutch-whine-Webb-bias.html

Seriously though, 'we wuz robbed' is the oldest cry in football

Biased no. Bottler yes.
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« Reply #187 on: January 21, 2011, 12:21:53 PM »

Doesn't look like we're adding to the squad this month - no real surprise there. Valencia is on his way back and there's plenty of decent cover available unless both Ferdinand and Vidic get injured/suspended at the same time.

Next four league games, Birmingham (H), Blackpool (A), Villa (H), Wolves (A) with a nice trip to the south coast for the Cup game in the middle.

Our unbeaten start in the League should be extended to 25 games by the time the City game comes round

Will Mancini be going for the away win that day? Or will it be the standard 4-5-1 away formation?
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« Reply #188 on: January 21, 2011, 12:28:40 PM »

Doesn't look like we're adding to the squad this month - no real surprise there. Valencia is on his way back and there's plenty of decent cover available unless both Ferdinand and Vidic get injured/suspended at the same time.

Next four league games, Birmingham (H), Blackpool (A), Villa (H), Wolves (A) with a nice trip to the south coast for the Cup game in the middle.

Our unbeaten start in the League should be extended to 25 games by the time the City game comes round

Will Mancini be going for the away win that day? Or will it be the standard 4-5-1 away formation?

Standard 4-5-1 would be my guess. Mancini only cares about getting top 4, he really doesn't seem to care about anything other than that
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« Reply #189 on: January 21, 2011, 02:30:40 PM »

Doesn't look like we're adding to the squad this month - no real surprise there. Valencia is on his way back and there's plenty of decent cover available unless both Ferdinand and Vidic get injured/suspended at the same time.

Next four league games, Birmingham (H), Blackpool (A), Villa (H), Wolves (A) with a nice trip to the south coast for the Cup game in the middle.

Our unbeaten start in the League should be extended to 25 games by the time the City game comes round

Will Mancini be going for the away win that day? Or will it be the standard 4-5-1 away formation?

Standard 4-5-1 would be my guess. Mancini only cares about getting top 4, he really doesn't seem to care about anything other than that

He probably won't be there to see the plan through then. City fans won't settle for pragmatism in the derby - another 0-0 with them showing no great ambition to put one over on us by ending the unbeaten run won't count for much even if it helps them to 4th or even 3rd or 2nd

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« Reply #190 on: January 21, 2011, 02:33:29 PM »

Doesn't look like we're adding to the squad this month - no real surprise there. Valencia is on his way back and there's plenty of decent cover available unless both Ferdinand and Vidic get injured/suspended at the same time.

Next four league games, Birmingham (H), Blackpool (A), Villa (H), Wolves (A) with a nice trip to the south coast for the Cup game in the middle.

Our unbeaten start in the League should be extended to 25 games by the time the City game comes round

Will Mancini be going for the away win that day? Or will it be the standard 4-5-1 away formation?

Standard 4-5-1 would be my guess. Mancini only cares about getting top 4, he really doesn't seem to care about anything other than that

He probably won't be there to see the plan through then. City fans won't settle for pragmatism in the derby - another 0-0 with them showing no great ambition to put one over on us by ending the unbeaten run won't count for much even if it helps them to 4th or even 3rd or 2nd



I hope he isn't, he's a boring manager that seems to prefer the standard catanachio of the old school Italian clubs. I hate watching City play, they have all the talent in the world and then decide to settle for the draw in the big games.
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« Reply #191 on: January 21, 2011, 02:49:34 PM »

Its the most boring uninspiring Man Utd team since the start of the Premiership, yet they are unbeaten and top of the league...
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« Reply #192 on: January 21, 2011, 03:46:40 PM »

Its the most boring uninspiring Man Utd team since the start of the Premiership, yet they are unbeaten and top of the league...

It's really hard to argue with that - and it's so frustrating because we could be so much better. The Blackburn game should have been the kickstart we needed but it isn't happening.
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« Reply #193 on: January 23, 2011, 12:18:53 PM »

5-0 false dawn or United kicking into gear?

Still can't make my mind up about Berba. 3rd hat trick of the season but still haven't quite got the faith that he's gonna continue firing on all cylinders.

What I do know is if Rooney rediscovers his form of last season we're gonna take some stopping
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« Reply #194 on: January 23, 2011, 12:43:24 PM »

5-0 false dawn or United kicking into gear?

Still can't make my mind up about Berba. 3rd hat trick of the season but still haven't quite got the faith that he's gonna continue firing on all cylinders.

What I do know is if Rooney rediscovers his form of last season we're gonna take some stopping

Haven't seen any of it 'cos I was a bit busy with the pokerz yesterday, but this is already Berba's most proflific premier league season and there's nearly half of it to go. Three hat-tricks against poor sides distorts the figures a little, but as someone posted in another context, form is temporary, class is permanent.
According to the Telegraph write-up Rooney was a key factor in the performance?

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