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« Reply #1590 on: September 29, 2013, 03:23:24 PM »

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« Reply #1591 on: September 29, 2013, 04:59:29 PM »


just the way moyes was chasing baines all summer badly, then in the last minute of the transfer window hes trying to get that other left back in on loan which was another balls up now hes dropping him for home games.

evras won everything loved by the fans played 100s of games been captain loads of times is one of the leaders in the dressing room and moyes made up his mind about him before the season started.

i think moyes could lose the dressing room and fans ( who have been backing him ) over stuff like that and aswell as picking anderson who the fans gave up on a long time ago.

raphael isnt getting much of a look in this could be injury but hes another fan favourite and is the best right back at the club. zaha hasnt been given a chance, he was one of the best players pre season hes not even getting on the bench.

moyes has come out n said were about 5 or 6 players short if so why did he only sign 1 in the summer and hes had a terrible start aswell, you wouldnt trust moyes to get it right with his next 5 signings. other comments about players like they tell me hes got a great touch or is a great finisher whos telling him all this stuff he sacked all the coaches and why hasnt he figured it for himself yet.

i think moyes is out of his depth and is getting it wrong all over the place. its not like losing a few games at everton united is one of the biggest clubs in the world, an unexpected draw leads to a major inquiry.





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« Reply #1592 on: September 29, 2013, 05:03:15 PM »


just the way moyes was chasing baines all summer badly, then in the last minute of the transfer window hes trying to get that other left back in on loan which was another balls up now hes dropping him for home games.

evras won everything loved by the fans played 100s of games been captain loads of times is one of the leaders in the dressing room and moyes made up his mind about him before the season started.

i think moyes could lose the dressing room and fans ( who have been backing him ) over stuff like that and aswell as picking anderson who the fans gave up on a long time ago.

raphael isnt getting much of a look in this could be injury but hes another fan favourite and is the best right back at the club. zaha hasnt been given a chance, he was one of the best players pre season hes not even getting on the bench.

moyes has come out n said were about 5 or 6 players short if so why did he only sign 1 in the summer and hes had a terrible start aswell, you wouldnt trust moyes to get it right with his next 5 signings. other comments about players like they tell me hes got a great touch or is a great finisher whos telling him all this stuff he sacked all the coaches and why hasnt he figured it for himself yet.

i think moyes is out of his depth and is getting it wrong all over the place. its not like losing a few games at everton united is one of the biggest clubs in the world, an unexpected draw leads to a major inquiry.







Yeah I thought that was a really strange comment to make.

Also agree about backroom staff being a mistake.

He hasn't come across well in interviews so far for sure.
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« Reply #1593 on: September 30, 2013, 11:15:02 AM »


just the way moyes was chasing baines all summer badly, then in the last minute of the transfer window hes trying to get that other left back in on loan which was another balls up now hes dropping him for home games.

evras won everything loved by the fans played 100s of games been captain loads of times is one of the leaders in the dressing room and moyes made up his mind about him before the season started.

i think moyes could lose the dressing room and fans ( who have been backing him ) over stuff like that and aswell as picking anderson who the fans gave up on a long time ago.

raphael isnt getting much of a look in this could be injury but hes another fan favourite and is the best right back at the club. zaha hasnt been given a chance, he was one of the best players pre season hes not even getting on the bench.

moyes has come out n said were about 5 or 6 players short if so why did he only sign 1 in the summer and hes had a terrible start aswell, you wouldnt trust moyes to get it right with his next 5 signings. other comments about players like they tell me hes got a great touch or is a great finisher whos telling him all this stuff he sacked all the coaches and why hasnt he figured it for himself yet.

i think moyes is out of his depth and is getting it wrong all over the place. its not like losing a few games at everton united is one of the biggest clubs in the world, an unexpected draw leads to a major inquiry.







A couple of things.
Firstly Evra is 32. He's still excellent but United will need a replacement at some rapidly apporaching point. Baines is 28 and looks the perfect fit to replace him. United didn't handle the pursuit well. Whether that's down to Moyes or not, I don't know.
As regards 'dropping' Evra for home games, I presume he didn't 'drop' him but rested or rotated him. In the absence of Baines, Buttner is his understudy. Last year Buttner played 5 league games. He needs to play. If there was ever a game you thought it would be safe enough to give him a start, it would have been yesterday.
Ferguson got away with it last year, Evra hardly missed a game. But if Evra gets injured, where do they turn to? They'll need Buttner to get some playing experience.

As regards this 'United beiing 5 or 6 world class short' story, it's utter media nonsense. He DID not say that.

"To win the Champions League, you need five or six world-class players," said Moyes, who took over the club in July.
"That's the level you have to be at to win it. We've not got that yet but what we have got is experience."

He's saying that any team needs 5 or 6 world class players. I'm sure he would argue that Rooney and RVP are world class. And then possibly De Gea, maaaaybe Vidic. So he's probably saying they are 2 or 3 short. Fair comment I think.

As for Moyes being out of his depth, maybe you're right. Anyone who comes in after Ferguson is going to have a tough time.
I read around the time of his appointment someone saying that the easiest job will the man after the man that replaces Ferguson.  This seems likely. Moyes has an impossible job, everything he does will be compared to Ferguson. The man replacing Moyes will have much less pressure.
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« Reply #1594 on: September 30, 2013, 02:40:49 PM »


trouble is united fans dont know when its acceptable to start slaughtering the manager we havnt had to for so long - ive probably gone early haha

when i use to have a moan up about fergies teams the older heads would always say you should have been here under sexton this is nothing

moyes has got to start showing some nous and quickly - everytime he opens his mouth he puts his foot in it, the vultures in the press are circling, a lot fans didnt want him from day 1 if it carries on he could lose the crowd but that wont matter til next seasons renewal time and i think hes gotta dread carefully with the dressing room.

the start of the season could hardly have gone worse - the only surprise to me is that he has won in europe but his quotes have already ruled us out of winning that
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« Reply #1595 on: September 30, 2013, 02:46:04 PM »


As for Moyes being out of his depth, maybe you're right. Anyone who comes in after Ferguson is going to have a tough time.
I read around the time of his appointment someone saying that the easiest job will the man after the man that replaces Ferguson.  This seems likely. Moyes has an impossible job, everything he does will be compared to Ferguson. The man replacing Moyes will have much less pressure.

There's not a man in this list that has had realistic expections put upon him or would claim that hte job was easy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Aberdeen_F.C._managers
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« Reply #1596 on: September 30, 2013, 05:09:28 PM »

I find it truly amazing that any United fans could fall for the medias shit stirring.  We are not even two months into the season, United have had a horrible schedule and have lost three games but two of those were away to Man City and Liverpool and in the other you were without your best player.  If you look back to when Fergie was there the first two years of his reign were horrible but you have to give managers time.  If Fergie had been under this kind of pressure so early he would never have lasted.  You talk about the way Evra has been treated.  How many United legends over the years did Ferguson quietly ship out when they had outlasted their usefulness?  That is what the best managers do.....they realise when players need replacing or when they can be sold at the peak of their form and value.  The transfer window wasn't handled particularly well but it is hard to blame Moyes for that.  Transfer business is very much handled by the CEO's now and United have a new guy in charge there too which undoubtedly impacted on their window.
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« Reply #1597 on: September 30, 2013, 06:16:10 PM »

 "If you look back to when Fergie was there the first two years of his reign were horrible but you have to give managers time"

Not sure I agree with this view.  Fergie was given 3/4 years because when he came in to take over an aging Man Utd team with a drink culture who hadn't won the league for 15 years.

Moyes has a squad which won the league last year and has added Fellaini. 

I think these are hugely different situations and Moyes saying he needs to add players to be competitive is laughable in my opinion.  I'm not saying he needs to win the league, but taking the champs to 4th spot (if that is what happens) is abject failure. 

I'm not a Man Utd fan by the way.
 
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« Reply #1598 on: September 30, 2013, 06:21:41 PM »

a schedule moyes was moaning about straight away when the fixtures were out - could be described as getting his excuses in early

he hasnt done too well with the easy games in the tough start either

as united fan losing to the scousers and getting a good hiding off city is not a way to endear to yourself to the fans

25 / 30 years ago managers got time not anymore they have got to hit the ground running

dont be fooled that fergie wouldnt have got the bullet - edwards said many times if people stop going through the turnstiles because of it fergie would have gone

moyes doesnt have that pressure as fans are locked into season tickets now and its the 3rd most important thing now after tv revenues and commercial deals - maybe the tipping point would be not qualifying for the champions league - the glazers wouldnt like that with the interest payments to find every year



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« Reply #1599 on: September 30, 2013, 10:24:01 PM »

"If you look back to when Fergie was there the first two years of his reign were horrible but you have to give managers time"

Not sure I agree with this view.  Fergie was given 3/4 years because when he came in to take over an aging Man Utd team with a drink culture who hadn't won the league for 15 years.

Moyes has a squad which won the league last year and has added Fellaini. 

I think these are hugely different situations and Moyes saying he needs to add players to be competitive is laughable in my opinion.  I'm not saying he needs to win the league, but taking the champs to 4th spot (if that is what happens) is abject failure. 

I'm not a Man Utd fan by the way.
 

Fergie also got time, I'd think, because he had already had quite a lot of success as a manager. David Moyes hasn't. At the time he was appointed I kind of admired Man U for going for someone like him but I thought/hoped it was a terrible choice. We'll all get to see I guess
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« Reply #1600 on: September 30, 2013, 10:32:37 PM »

I find it truly amazing that any United fans could fall for the medias shit stirring.  We are not even two months into the season, United have had a horrible schedule and have lost three games but two of those were away to Man City and Liverpool and in the other you were without your best player.  If you look back to when Fergie was there the first two years of his reign were horrible but you have to give managers time.  If Fergie had been under this kind of pressure so early he would never have lasted.  You talk about the way Evra has been treated.  How many United legends over the years did Ferguson quietly ship out when they had outlasted their usefulness?  That is what the best managers do.....they realise when players need replacing or when they can be sold at the peak of their form and value.  The transfer window wasn't handled particularly well but it is hard to blame Moyes for that.  Transfer business is very much handled by the CEO's now and United have a new guy in charge there too which undoubtedly impacted on their window.

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« Reply #1601 on: October 01, 2013, 01:14:40 PM »


the media are getting stuck in no doubt

but dont be fooled that the main topic for united fans since may hasnt been moyes - whats he like, whats he going to do, hows he going to play, is he up to it. now a full pre season and two months into the season we have got something to judge him on.
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« Reply #1602 on: October 01, 2013, 04:01:39 PM »

Times have changed. You don't get two years to get things sorted at a top club any longer. Utd have resources far in excess of 17 of the other sides in the Premier League. That wasnt the case when Fergie took over.
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« Reply #1603 on: October 01, 2013, 05:26:11 PM »

Times have changed. You don't get two years to get things sorted at a top club any longer. Utd have resources far in excess of 17 of the other sides in the Premier League. That wasnt the case when Fergie took over.

Arsenal had 8 years without a trophy though
Brandon rogers has been given time also
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« Reply #1604 on: October 01, 2013, 05:47:24 PM »

Times have changed. You don't get two years to get things sorted at a top club any longer. Utd have resources far in excess of 17 of the other sides in the Premier League. That wasnt the case when Fergie took over.

Arsenal had 8 years without a trophy though
Brandon rogers has been given time also


Not quite the same paul.

Arsenal have built a brand new stadium and created a self-sustaining model.

Manure have a self-sustaining debt and unlimited resources.
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