Manchester United, that didn't last long. Seven up

[david3103]

Manchester City Ruined My Life

I've been a fan since 25 May 1963, when I sat down to watch the FA Cup Final with my dad. His support went back further, to the era of Duncan Edwards, Roger Byrne and the other Busby Babes.
Over the half century since then I've seen a lot of low points. Relegation in a season where Alex Stepney led the goals list at one stage. Losing the FA Cup Final to Southampton. Missing out on the league for year after year after year as Liverpool established their record total of titles.

This isn't going to be a great season, but it will be better than 73-74, and a fair few others we've experienced over the last fifty years.

For those of you who favour The Reds but who have known no other manager than SAF it must be hard to take the way this season has gone so far. All I can say is 'Keep the Faith, the club is still the club of Edwards, Charlton, Best, Law, Pearson, Hughes, Buchan, McQueen, Stepney, Robson, Bruce, Giggs, Beckham, Butt, Scholes, Keane, Schmeichel, Solskjaer, Cantona, Cole, Yorke, Hill, Coppel and even if the season ends with us in mid-table and without a trophy we will be back.
Maybe not for a year or two, but we are still Manchester United Football Club.
20 League Titles
11 FA Cup wins
4 Leage Cup wins
3 European Cups
1 European Cup-Winners Cup
1 European Super Cup
1 Inter-Continental Cup
1 FIFA Clubs World Cup

[BorntoBubble]

Don't worry I'm one of the few that have known no other but SAF I still have the faith I know we have had it so good for the last 25 years it's time to take some pain and suffering so when the good times return they will be enjoyed even more!

[tikay]

Manchester City Ruined My Life

I've been a fan since 25 May 1963, when I sat down to watch the FA Cup Final with my dad. His support went back further, to the era of Duncan Edwards, Roger Byrne and the other Busby Babes.
Over the half century since then I've seen a lot of low points. Relegation in a season where Alex Stepney led the goals list at one stage. Losing the FA Cup Final to Southampton. Missing out on the league for year after year after year as Liverpool established their record total of titles.

This isn't going to be a great season, but it will be better than 73-74, and a fair few others we've experienced over the last fifty years.

For those of you who favour The Reds but who have known no other manager than SAF it must be hard to take the way this season has gone so far. All I can say is 'Keep the Faith, the club is still the club of Edwards, Charlton, Best, Law, Pearson, Hughes, Buchan, McQueen, Stepney, Robson, Bruce, Giggs, Beckham, Butt, Scholes, Keane, Schmeichel, Solskjaer, Cantona, Cole, Yorke, Hill, Coppel and even if the season ends with us in mid-table and without a trophy we will be back.
Maybe not for a year or two, but we are still Manchester United Football Club.
20 League Titles
11 FA Cup wins
4 Leage Cup wins
3 European Cups
1 European Cup-Winners Cup
1 European Super Cup
1 Inter-Continental Cup
1 FIFA Clubs World Cup

Like that David.

It's pretty jarring to see so much negativity, especially towards Moyes, who was, effectively, selected by SAF.

SAF was THE BEST, what a tough act to follow.

Now it's time for the good-time fans to man up, & show a bit of loyalty, character, & backbone, when the Team most needs it.

I watched that penalty shootout the other night, & then the inevitable barrage of toxic shite on Twitter.

Call themselves professional footballers, they ought to do better

Well yes, they should. Have any of those who are abusing those guys ever been in that pressure spot? I doubt that. Did you see the players faces, each of them, as they stepped up to take those penalties? The self-doubt was there for all to see, the penalties were dreadful. People need to look a little deeper, confidence & psychology are amazingly powerful things.

I'm not a Man U supporter, or a Man U hater, I'm ambivelant, but I find this whole thing fascinating to watch, more for the reactions of those who don't have the character or mettle to handle a bump in the road, be they players, fans, or whatever.

Even better, all this is happening whilst Man C are on a proper roll. Many can't look that fact in the eye. 

A bit of adversity soon seperates the men from the boys.

Good on you David, that's a great Post.
 

[BorntoBubble]

Mata Rooney RVP adnan will be interesting if these guys can all get fit!

[George2Loose]

Hopefully Man City do us a favour tomorrow

[david3103]

#flowersofmanchester

[77dave]

http://espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/1707264/manchester-united-nemanja-vidic-leave-old-trafford-eight-years?cc=5739

[david3103]

http://espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/1707264/manchester-united-nemanja-vidic-leave-old-trafford-eight-years?cc=5739

Thanks for that, I daresay we might have missed it had you not taken the time and trouble to post a link.
Things a bit boring at Anfield? Early season promise fading away into hopes of Europa League?

I'll rise above the tribal.

Vidic was immense for us for five and a half seasons, and massively influential even during the injury years.
Five Premier League medals
Three League Cups
Champions League
FIFA Club World Cup
Five Community Shields

I hope wherever he goes he finds full fitness and adds a few more medals.

[The Baron]

http://espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/1707264/manchester-united-nemanja-vidic-leave-old-trafford-eight-years?cc=5739

Thanks for that, I daresay we might have missed it had you not taken the time and trouble to post a link.
Things a bit boring at Anfield? Early season promise fading away into hopes of Europa League?

I'll rise above the tribal.

You jest! I thought we were meant to post more on here than on the thread named for our own team! "No?" (In a Rafa accent obv)



Serious Q, who the bejeezus replaces Vidic?

[david3103]

http://espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/1707264/manchester-united-nemanja-vidic-leave-old-trafford-eight-years?cc=5739

Thanks for that, I daresay we might have missed it had you not taken the time and trouble to post a link.
Things a bit boring at Anfield? Early season promise fading away into hopes of Europa League?

I'll rise above the tribal.

You jest! I thought we were meant to post more on here than on the thread named for our own team! "No?" (In a Rafa accent obv)



Serious Q, who the bejeezus replaces Vidic?

You're always welcome Baron, as one of those who are less tribal.

Who replaces Vidic? I guess we have to wait to find out, but he wasn't exactly a fixture for the last two seasons which ended with a very very close 2nd and a title winning margin of 11pts...

[The Baron]

http://espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/1707264/manchester-united-nemanja-vidic-leave-old-trafford-eight-years?cc=5739

Thanks for that, I daresay we might have missed it had you not taken the time and trouble to post a link.
Things a bit boring at Anfield? Early season promise fading away into hopes of Europa League?

I'll rise above the tribal.

You jest! I thought we were meant to post more on here than on the thread named for our own team! "No?" (In a Rafa accent obv)



Serious Q, who the bejeezus replaces Vidic?

You're always welcome Baron, as one of those who are less tribal.

Who replaces Vidic? I guess we have to wait to find out, but he wasn't exactly a fixture for the last two seasons which ended with a very very close 2nd and a title winning margin of 11pts...

Fair one. I guess it's more who replaces the partnership. Would Utd fans want jagielka?

[david3103]

The partnership? I don't have stats to hand but I doubt that Ferdinand & Vidic have played together in more than 1 game in 5 over the last couple of seasons.

Personally, I'd love it if Evans, Jones and Smalling fulfilled their early promise. Sadly a combination of injuries and the constant use of the two Englishmen out of position seems to have set them back at best, ruined them at worst.

If we now get the rest of this season with Vidic playing most of most games and bringing the best out of the younger players they could still be the future for us.

A new left back would be handy though

[dwayne110]

I just don't see it with smalling, technically is poor and lacking in game intelligence, in short isn't Manchester United standard. Very dubious about mr jones too, treaded water for a good while now. Would consider them both utility players but certainly not the foundations to build our team on. Evans is average too, plays well when alongside a quality centre back like a vidic or rio in their prime. So many holes to fill in our team, lol

[dwayne110]

The biggest problem United have right now is a desire by Moyes to play Rvp, Rooney and Mata together. If we had a stronger midfield and defense then yes, a formation could be constructed to blend them together. But playing effectively 4-4-2 with two flicky, like to cut in, don't like to track back wide players/playmakers in mata and januzaj is a recipe for disaster against most decent teams nowadays. Part of that problem is the lack of pace of Rvp and Rooney... Pace breeds fear in opposing defences, meaning they drop deeper. Liverpool pushed high against us knowing we couldn't get in behind them, and they could do so to us at will. The team is so imbalanced, no cohesive game plan or strategy, just a mish mash of expensive players, many of whom have seen their best years.

If they keep the faith and he turns it around I'll doff my cap to him.... but I agree with jandellis, he seems to have lost his belief to the point where he's repeatedly making statements which are uninspiring and defeatist , can only see this going one way :/

[david3103]

For me, one of the attractions of having Moyes as our new manager was a sense that he had very little ego and that he wouldn't arrive with a feeling of wanting to stamp his personality on the club. The squad may not have been at it's peak but had been good enough to win the title last season and there was a well-oiled machine below SAF that would support him as he got to grips with the job.
I wonder if he now regrets the wholesale clear out of that supporting cast?

Too late to go back now and the knives are out in the media and across the social networks. A bad performance tomorrow night and it will all intensify. "Lost the dressing room", "poor motivator" and "poor tactically" will be aimed at him and who could blame him for succumbing to the pressures.

From the outside it's hard to know the influences that have affected results this season. Certainly we've conceded too many late goals that have cost us points and cup places. That's a significant change from a club where titles and cups were won by playing hard and concentrating through to the 95th minute plus. That concentration stems from training routines and being motivated. Again, I wonder if he regrets that wholesale clear out?

I want him to stick it out and for the club to come back strongly over the rest of this season and to be challenging again next season. But I suspect that part of my desire for that is a sense that if he fails I will have been proved wrong in my own assessment of it all initially.