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« on: January 11, 2011, 11:11:13 PM »

Bought a % of a friend in 5 400nl rush tables and this hand came up..

Hand #27189683813 begins at 2011/01/11
Dealing down cards
Dealt to Cornie4ever [ ]
zr1bluevette posts the small blind of $2
Starsky 71 posts the big blind of $4
rincas folds.
Tiky Taka folds.
Cornie4ever raises to $12.
xxxlargeballs folds.
Lonnegan2 folds.
Hakimakli calls $12.
nevermo raises to $48.
zr1bluevette folds.
Starsky 71 folds.
Cornie4ever calls $36.
Hakimakli folds.
Dealing Flop [ ]
Cornie4ever checks.
nevermo bets $72.
Cornie4ever calls $72.
Dealing Turn []
Cornie4ever checks.
nevermo bets $184.
Cornie4ever raises to $425.

What is villains calling/shoving range?  His stats are.. 3bet LP 11% and AF 7flop/4turn/2river
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« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2011, 11:14:03 PM »

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« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2011, 11:16:00 PM »

fml, both started with $920 effective.
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« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2011, 12:53:58 AM »

I really think that, trying ot make anyone fold AA in a 3bet pot is always going to be un-profitble

The money you make when he folds will rarely make up for the times he gets stubborn
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« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2011, 01:14:54 AM »

The only way you're getting anyone to fold aces here is to flat the turn and hope for a killer river card.

Something like the  should do it.

Only problem then is that you want him to call.
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« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2011, 01:38:06 AM »

Trying to make people fold Aces in holdem in 3 bets pots is just burning money even in rush poker id say

Never played rush but surely if everyone is always polarised to AA in these 3 bet pots then we should always be min raising with 88 here rather than 3xing? In the long run saves a lot of $$$
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« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2011, 03:07:59 AM »

I'm lost. why do we put someone with 11% 3b on aces?
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« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2011, 08:19:49 AM »

What hands do we think he continues with here? (We are 200bb deep)
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« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2011, 09:48:22 AM »

I'm lost. why do we put someone with 11% 3b on aces?

Because we now know that had had aces obv.
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« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2011, 10:00:08 AM »

hmmm I fold.
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« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2011, 12:30:07 PM »

What hands do we think he continues with here? (We are 200bb deep)

imo if villain can put hero on a set, I think he def folds AA as they are deep.  Is villain likely to think that hero would open with any pair? 
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« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2011, 12:48:40 PM »

FWIW i dont think the attempt is horrible - but folding AA is usually villain dependant.

You are MUCH more likely to get him to fold on a drier board thou like 4 6 9 rainbow - because you are then repping sets or air really

The prob with your line is you can also be repping combos and with 1 card to come he might just think "fk it ill go for the fade!"

Ive played a fair but of rush (although not 2/4), but most players arent in the habit of folding AA
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« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2011, 12:51:06 PM »

Is villain a reg?
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« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2011, 01:22:41 PM »

Villain is $1k winner over 1200 hands. He is aggro, but decent. Yes hero would be opening any pair.  Sometimes folding tiny pairs, but never folding a pair to a 3bet this deep I don't think, although folding this deep wouldn't be terrible at all.
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« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2011, 02:04:11 PM »

FWIW i dont think the attempt is horrible - but folding AA is usually villain dependant.

You are MUCH more likely to get him to fold on a drier board thou like 4 6 9 rainbow - because you are then repping sets or air really

The prob with your line is you can also be repping combos and with 1 card to come he might just think "fk it ill go for the fade!"
Ive played a fair but of rush (although not 2/4), but most players arent in the habit of folding AA

Don't think this is right.
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