Annoying spot in a £2/£4 game

[SuuPRlim]

also  dont think he's 3betting hands like  /    hands that play really well post flop, with descrbed image of you being aggro I think he'll expect you to be 4betting or folding most of the time (hardly ever peeling) so there is no value to him to 3bet/fold or 3bet/calling hands that play really well vs your opening range but are behind to your 4bets (assume he thinks your 4b range is tighter than AJo)

[cambridgealex]

also  dont think he's 3betting hands like  /    hands that play really well post flop, with descrbed image of you being aggro I think he'll expect you to be 4betting or folding most of the time (hardly ever peeling) so there is no value to him to 3bet/fold or 3bet/calling hands that play really well vs your opening range but are behind to your 4bets (assume he thinks your 4b range is tighter than AJo)

yeh i see.

[pleno1]

It's Redmon fkn Lee, bet 1/3 pot and snap a shove. Or bet 1/3 pot and if he calls reevaluate on turn, I doubt he ever value jams when we bet 1/3 pot on flop.

[AlexMartin]

betting this flop and then doing anything but shove the turn would be so horrible i cringe.

[NoflopsHomer]

I think his 3-bet range can easily be as wide as, A2s+ A8o+ 65s+ KJo+ and any pair but I think once he calls my 4-bet his range is most likely 99+ AQ+. If I bet the flop, I have to jam the turn and that's just burning money in this spot.

FWIW, I played another hand with him a bit later in the same position where I opened to £12 from CO with and he 3-bet to £28 OTB, I made it £64 and he snap folded.

[NoflopsHomer]

also  dont think he's 3betting hands like   /   hands that play really well post flop, with descrbed image of you being aggro I think he'll expect you to be 4betting or folding most of the time (hardly ever peeling) so there is no value to him to 3bet/fold or 3bet/calling hands that play really well vs your opening range but are behind to your 4bets (assume he thinks your 4b range is tighter than AJo)

Disagree, I think he 3bets all these hands, peeling when only 100BB's deep even IP is spewy.

[AlexMartin]

also  dont think he's 3betting hands like   /   hands that play really well post flop, with descrbed image of you being aggro I think he'll expect you to be 4betting or folding most of the time (hardly ever peeling) so there is no value to him to 3bet/fold or 3bet/calling hands that play really well vs your opening range but are behind to your 4bets (assume he thinks your 4b range is tighter than AJo)

Disagree, I think he 3bets all these hands, peeling when only 100BB's deep even IP is spewy.

whaaaaat? what if there's a fish in the blinds, or you giveup your cbets too often? or you go mental postflop and overplay hand? or you fold too often to a turn raise/river jam? 109hh is THE perfect hand to be peeling with otb imo.

[pleno1]

betting this flop and then doing anything but shove the turn would be so horrible i cringe.

he won't fold pairs anyway, so is c/calling (if he shoves) c/jamming if he bets better to keep in his floating range (very capable of this)

[SuuPRlim]

also  dont think he's 3betting hands like   /   hands that play really well post flop, with descrbed image of you being aggro I think he'll expect you to be 4betting or folding most of the time (hardly ever peeling) so there is no value to him to 3bet/fold or 3bet/calling hands that play really well vs your opening range but are behind to your 4bets (assume he thinks your 4b range is tighter than AJo)

Disagree, I think he 3bets all these hands, peeling when only 100BB's deep even IP is spewy.

whaaaaat? what if there's a fish in the blinds, or you giveup your cbets too often? or you go mental postflop and overplay hand? or you fold too often to a turn raise/river jam? 109hh is THE perfect hand to be peeling with otb imo.

speshly if he thinks you're opening wide but not going to have a reasonably tight 4bet range (he DEFINATLEY thinks you're 4betting tighter than Ajo imo) 3bet folding   or   would be ugy and 3b/5b vs you would appear to him to be rele spewy so he would peel these non premium value hands all day long imo, until a dynamic has established where ur peeling more 3bets or 4betting wider

and ye I agree with alex 100% that we cant not jam the turn if we cbet, but i dont see how we can bet/call the flop ever

[titaniumbean]

He's got Kx sooooted.


He could be pounding on you like mad if you're a new name and haven't given him a reason not to yet. He can just be testing you out, Red plays pretty aggro as it is at 6 max with weak players so I would be fine with raise calling and being a stackoffmonster with any piece and or 4 ball getting the money in however he wants. I'd just bet call this board if I bet and he jammed.


You could always sit in with 50bbs too!  Also I personally feel like if you are taking a shot regardless of being underrolled that with the way Red will play against weak fishy players you should be able to create an edge as a competent player aware of what he is doing vs the fish.


what's your Sky name? is it same on your blonde one?

[AlexMartin]

betting this flop and then doing anything but shove the turn would be so horrible i cringe.

he won't fold pairs anyway, so is c/calling (if he shoves) c/jamming if he bets better to keep in his floating range (very capable of this)

if he's good, he will double float almost everything, jamming river with his air and checking back all pp's and better A high's.

[Dubai]

Fold pre.

End thread/

[Rupert]

id probs flat 3b pre rest is fine i wouldnt 1 barrel tho expect him to be fucking with you a ton once he flats 4b

[titaniumbean]

betting this flop and then doing anything but shove the turn would be so horrible i cringe.

he won't fold pairs anyway, so is c/calling (if he shoves) c/jamming if he bets better to keep in his floating range (very capable of this)

if he's good + he thinks you are good, he will double float almost everything, jamming river with his air and checking back all pp's and better A high's.

I've added an additional condition so I now agree.

[SuuPRlim]

far too much emphasis on it being redmond with what we know about him, and nothing considered about what he knows/thinks he knows about you imo, there is no reason for him to be out of line anywhere

fold pre>>>>bet/fold flop, bet turn>>>>dont cbet and give up imo