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« on: February 17, 2011, 02:45:50 AM »

We're playing 6handed 0.50/1 and everyone limps to my big blind, I check  .

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SB bets £5, I raise to £15, Villain makes it £35 with £215 back, I cover. SB folds. Hero?

Villain: Old Gibraltarian guy. Played last night, he was buyin in short a lot, going pretty mental with his £40, mostly getting it in pre with junk or calling it off dead on the flop, or with K high no pair no draw on the turn for example. Tonight he has won a few big pots and is playing much deeper (250) more reserved, much less mental. But definitely a terrible player, and will overvalue hands massively. Never folding 2pair on this board for example. Will limp in with any suited cards, raise AQ, AA and QQ but not A5 or 55 or Q5.
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« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2011, 02:53:35 AM »

£75 and call a shove then. Sounds like you're answering your own question already though.
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« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2011, 03:03:33 AM »

Any merit to flatting and check-jamming if no club rolls off?

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« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2011, 03:14:28 AM »

If he genuinely will play any two suited cards then there is an argument for raising to £75 and folding to a shove but I doubt I can fold and would prob just get it in if he shoved.
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« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2011, 03:18:15 AM »

£75 and call a shove then. Sounds like you're answering your own question already though.

Why 75 not 100, or 130? Is the raise amount superfluous because he's never folding any of his 3b range?

If he genuinely will play any two suited cards then there is an argument for raising to £75 and folding to a shove but I doubt I can fold and would prob just get it in if he shoved.

there's 2 worse flushes, and 5better ones. as well as his combos of Q5, 55 and A5 can we really make an argument for raise folding £75?
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« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2011, 03:52:52 AM »

TBH I dont think thereare any worse flushes....even players that play "any two suited cards"are a bit learly about 26s or 36s....suppose 23s is a possibility.  Also most fish slow down on boards like this so when he is shoving you are very likely behind.....I just think there could be better spots but like I said I probably call because I have a flush but I have laid hands down like this before...especially against old guys because they always have it right???
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« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2011, 06:18:26 AM »

I just think there could be better spots

you cant seriously think there are better spots than this??

Sure he can have a better flush, ofc he can. he can also have any set/two pair or 1p and 

dong anything else but stacking off given flop action leaves us open to some massive EV mistakes that you're better just stacking off. Dont see any advantage to peeling and raising turn as both ranges stand to loose equity on the turn.
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« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2011, 06:29:27 AM »

i cant believe some of these PHA's.  Are people taking the p*ss when they ask for advice.  You flop a flush and are not willing to stack off a couple of hundred quid just in case he has a bigger flush?Huh?Huh???  Like the previous poster stated he reraises to £35.  Cant he do this with any two pair/set hand or nut flush draw.  If you dont want to gamble for a bottle in this spot as a decent fav surely 90% of the time you either 1) cant be rolled for the game or 2) need to find a different form of financial investment/hobby.
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« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2011, 06:31:26 AM »

I check  .

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definitely a terrible player, and will overvalue hands massively. Never folding 2pair on this board for example.

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« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2011, 07:51:03 AM »

I think the question is is he aggro with the hands or not. He might not be folding 2pr ever but doesnt necessarily mean hes cold 3 betting them on this flop.
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« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2011, 08:35:54 AM »

i cant believe some of these PHA's.  Are people taking the p*ss when they ask for advice.  You flop a flush and are not willing to stack off a couple of hundred quid just in case he has a bigger flush?Huh?Huh???  Like the previous poster stated he reraises to £35.  Cant he do this with any two pair/set hand or nut flush draw.  If you dont want to gamble for a bottle in this spot as a decent fav surely 90% of the time you either 1) cant be rolled for the game or 2) need to find a different form of financial investment/hobby.

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« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2011, 09:09:06 AM »

I think the question is is he aggro with the hands or not. He might not be folding 2pr ever but doesnt necessarily mean hes cold 3 betting them on this flop.


This.

He called it off yesterday with K8 on Aq97. He will never ever ever be cold 3betting tiny with  type of hands, and never has AK/AQ.
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Worst playcalling I have ever seen. Bunch of  fucking jokers . Run the bloody ball. 18 rushes all game? You have to be kidding me. Fuck off lol
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« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2011, 09:16:39 AM »

i cant believe some of these PHA's.  Are people taking the p*ss when they ask for advice.  You flop a flush and are not willing to stack off a couple of hundred quid just in case he has a bigger flush?Huh?Huh???  Like the previous poster stated he reraises to £35.  Cant he do this with any two pair/set hand or nut flush draw.  If you dont want to gamble for a bottle in this spot as a decent fav surely 90% of the time you either 1) cant be rolled for the game or 2) need to find a different form of financial investment/hobby.

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woah so much bs in a such a short post. couldnt disagree more with all of this. firstly, no i'm not taking the piss when I ask for advice. I asked what was the best play, ie how much to raise, or whether there is merit to flatting etc. I'm not considering folding, perfectly willing to stack off £250 with this if i think its the best play. And of course I did stack off. The fact is there aren't that many hands that he is this aggro with on the flop except flushes. As stato says, maybe he's never folding these hands, but does he rele cold 3b Q5 here? probs not.

comfortably rolled for 50/1 tyvm.
 
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« Reply #13 on: February 17, 2011, 09:33:45 AM »

Who gives a fuck if its "a couple hundred quid"? 

It is bb's and if Alex was posting a 5/10 hand would you say who cares you have a flush its only a couple of thousand? Your post seems really, really naive and it seems like you've not played too much poker when you arent considering any other options when the least aggro player in Spain min cold 3bets a flop and you have a low flush 250bb deep.

Also for people saying this guy can't have 62cc think again, every single suited card is in his range, if not all combinations of every card possible. He's Gibraltarian ffs. I honestly don't think I've ever seen him open fold pre in my life


FWIW, I peel the flop and reavluate on the turn depending on the card.
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Worst playcalling I have ever seen. Bunch of  fucking jokers . Run the bloody ball. 18 rushes all game? You have to be kidding me. Fuck off lol
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« Reply #14 on: February 17, 2011, 03:06:34 PM »

fold, and thank your opponent for making life easy.

just read the replies, lolz all round.
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