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Longy
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Re: folding to min cash in a tourney ur have a shot at
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Quote from: StuartHopkin on March 07, 2011, 01:26:50 PM
Quote from: Longy on March 07, 2011, 01:14:33 PM
If you aren't going to play the tourney properly don't play it imo. If you have satted in take the $t.
If I qualified for the WSOP me, i am taking the money if available to me or I have satted/ bought in with the intention that the 10k isn't that important to me and I am playing for the win.
Okay so what about if yoy satted in for $500 and when you said Ill take the $$ please they told you this wasnt an option.
I know its not quite the same but if a min cash meant a chunk to you then what do you do here?
Tbh Stu I would never attempt to sat into WSOP for $500 these days if I couldn't take the cash.
I have found in the past that playing for money that makes me uncomfortable really effects my game, therefore my solution has been to never play a game that I am not ridic overrolled for. I am currently 1000 buyins deep for my avg stake on stars!
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Re: folding to min cash in a tourney ur have a shot at
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Quote from: Longy on March 07, 2011, 02:39:43 AM
I am never playing a tourney to min cash, so am just pushing pretty close to cEV here.
Range= 33+, a10+,a8s+, kq, qjs+.
seems way too wide
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Re: folding to min cash in a tourney ur have a shot at
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March 07, 2011, 01:33:54 PM »
Quote from: LeKnave on March 07, 2011, 01:31:54 PM
Quote from: Longy on March 07, 2011, 02:39:43 AM
I am never playing a tourney to min cash, so am just pushing pretty close to cEV here.
Range= 33+, a10+,a8s+, kq, qjs+.
seems way too wide
Calling range is probably AQ+ 99+ So shoving 33 is the same as shoving 88 right? Could even be jj+ depending on the player, and others aa+, so many satalite players.
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Quote from: TightEnd on December 16, 2013, 12:59:59 AM
Worst playcalling I have ever seen. Bunch of fucking jokers . Run the bloody ball. 18 rushes all game? You have to be kidding me. Fuck off lol
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Re: folding to min cash in a tourney ur have a shot at
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March 07, 2011, 01:35:20 PM »
Quote from: Longy on March 07, 2011, 01:30:41 PM
Quote from: StuartHopkin on March 07, 2011, 01:26:50 PM
Quote from: Longy on March 07, 2011, 01:14:33 PM
If you aren't going to play the tourney properly don't play it imo. If you have satted in take the $t.
If I qualified for the WSOP me, i am taking the money if available to me or I have satted/ bought in with the intention that the 10k isn't that important to me and I am playing for the win.
Okay so what about if yoy satted in for $500 and when you said Ill take the $$ please they told you this wasnt an option.
I know its not quite the same but if a min cash meant a chunk to you then what do you do here?
Tbh Stu I would never attempt to sat into WSOP for $500 these days if I couldn't take the cash.
I have found in the past that playing for money that makes me uncomfortable really effects my game, therefore my solution has been to never play a game that I am not ridic overrolled for. I am currently 1000 buyins deep for my avg stake on stars!
Ha ha
Okay let me rephrase
You seem to have developed a bit of a sleep walking issue
You wake up on de plane to Vegas, whilst youve been sleeping the last few months it appears you have been sleep grinding WSOP sats.
WTF?
Can you get off? NO
Can you get the $$? NO
How much have you spent to get in? $478.78
You get to your hotel room and think FML what the hell is going on and fall asleep.
When you wake up your on the bubble of the WSOP.
What to you do now?
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Re: folding to min cash in a tourney ur have a shot at
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March 07, 2011, 01:36:40 PM »
Quote from: LeKnave on March 07, 2011, 01:31:54 PM
Quote from: Longy on March 07, 2011, 02:39:43 AM
I am never playing a tourney to min cash, so am just pushing pretty close to cEV here.
Range= 33+, a10+,a8s+, kq, qjs+.
seems way too wide
We are playing 8bbs effective with antes taken into account. If you are folding 55, kqs and a10 here you are making pretty big mistakes regularly imo.
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Re: folding to min cash in a tourney ur have a shot at
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Quote from: pleno1 on March 07, 2011, 01:30:08 PM
Quote from: Longy on March 07, 2011, 01:14:33 PM
If you aren't going to play the tourney properly don't play it imo. If you have satted in take the $t.
If I qualified for the WSOP me, i am taking the money if available to me or I have satted/ bought in with the intention that the 10k isn't that important to me and I am playing for the win.
This.
Poker is a game, its all about winning, everything you do is about getting all the chips. Playing like this isn't poker, you should always play what you deem to be optimal.
Such bravado Mr P Leno
You are on the WSOP pure bubble - you are going to lock up £20k, plus a 15k pca package, and whatever else, the table behind has a bloke with 1bb who is currently UTG.
You wake up with A2 and 10bbs and its folded to you in the SB but the BB has 1000 bbs and has told you he is calling any shove
You still jam?
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Re: folding to min cash in a tourney ur have a shot at
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March 07, 2011, 01:45:09 PM »
66+ AT+ KQ/KQs seems good
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Re: folding to min cash in a tourney ur have a shot at
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March 07, 2011, 01:55:13 PM »
Quote from: outragous76 on March 07, 2011, 01:39:57 PM
Quote from: pleno1 on March 07, 2011, 01:30:08 PM
Quote from: Longy on March 07, 2011, 01:14:33 PM
If you aren't going to play the tourney properly don't play it imo. If you have satted in take the $t.
If I qualified for the WSOP me, i am taking the money if available to me or I have satted/ bought in with the intention that the 10k isn't that important to me and I am playing for the win.
This.
Poker is a game, its all about winning, everything you do is about getting all the chips. Playing like this isn't poker, you should always play what you deem to be optimal.
Such bravado Mr P Leno
You are on the WSOP pure bubble - you are going to lock up £20k, plus a 15k pca package, and whatever else, the table behind has a bloke with 1bb who is currently UTG.
You wake up with A2 and 10bbs and its folded to you in the SB but the BB has 1000 bbs and has told you he is calling any shove
You still jam?
Nah, I do a fold. Think its very, very different to walkign away form the computer for 10 minutes to lock up a mincash in this tournie. Also WSOP has a ridic clock so 10bbs in there when I'm on button next >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 13bbs in Sunday million with antes and a turbo structure.
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Quote from: TightEnd on December 16, 2013, 12:59:59 AM
Worst playcalling I have ever seen. Bunch of fucking jokers . Run the bloody ball. 18 rushes all game? You have to be kidding me. Fuck off lol
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Re: folding to min cash in a tourney ur have a shot at
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March 07, 2011, 02:13:24 PM »
Quote from: pleno1 on March 07, 2011, 01:55:13 PM
Quote from: outragous76 on March 07, 2011, 01:39:57 PM
Quote from: pleno1 on March 07, 2011, 01:30:08 PM
Quote from: Longy on March 07, 2011, 01:14:33 PM
If you aren't going to play the tourney properly don't play it imo. If you have satted in take the $t.
If I qualified for the WSOP me, i am taking the money if available to me or I have satted/ bought in with the intention that the 10k isn't that important to me and I am playing for the win.
This.
Poker is a game, its all about winning, everything you do is about getting all the chips. Playing like this isn't poker, you should always play what you deem to be optimal.
Such bravado Mr P Leno
You are on the WSOP pure bubble - you are going to lock up £20k, plus a 15k pca package, and whatever else, the table behind has a bloke with 1bb who is currently UTG.
You wake up with A2 and 10bbs and its folded to you in the SB but the BB has 1000 bbs and has told you he is calling any shove
You still jam?
Nah, I do a fold. Think its very, very different to walkign away form the computer for 10 minutes to lock up a mincash in this tournie. Also WSOP has a ridic clock so 10bbs in there when I'm on button next >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 13bbs in Sunday million with antes and a turbo structure.
lolz!
^^^^^^^^^^ that has got nothing to do with it. Your "its a game line" is nonesense. Its a +ev shove so why you not making it?
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Re: folding to min cash in a tourney ur have a shot at
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March 07, 2011, 03:10:06 PM »
Quote from: outragous76 on March 07, 2011, 02:13:24 PM
Quote from: pleno1 on March 07, 2011, 01:55:13 PM
Quote from: outragous76 on March 07, 2011, 01:39:57 PM
Quote from: pleno1 on March 07, 2011, 01:30:08 PM
Quote from: Longy on March 07, 2011, 01:14:33 PM
If you aren't going to play the tourney properly don't play it imo. If you have satted in take the $t.
If I qualified for the WSOP me, i am taking the money if available to me or I have satted/ bought in with the intention that the 10k isn't that important to me and I am playing for the win.
This.
Poker is a game, its all about winning, everything you do is about getting all the chips. Playing like this isn't poker, you should always play what you deem to be optimal.
Such bravado Mr P Leno
You are on the WSOP pure bubble - you are going to lock up £20k, plus a 15k pca package, and whatever else, the table behind has a bloke with 1bb who is currently UTG.
You wake up with A2 and 10bbs and its folded to you in the SB but the BB has 1000 bbs and has told you he is calling any shove
You still jam?
Nah, I do a fold. Think its very, very different to walkign away form the computer for 10 minutes to lock up a mincash in this tournie. Also WSOP has a ridic clock so 10bbs in there when I'm on button next >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 13bbs in Sunday million with antes and a turbo structure.
lolz!
^^^^^^^^^^ that has got nothing to do with it. Your "its a game line" is nonesense. Its a +ev shove so why you not making it?
yeh if you're gonna go for the "it's a game line" then you should be making the correct shoves in all spots. Folding A2 BoB in the ME would be a mistake if that is the way you're going to approach the tournament. However, if you're like me and every other low stakes grinder that miraculously finds themselves on the bubble of the ME then obviously you're going to fold the A2, wait one hand and lock up 20k.
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Re: folding to min cash in a tourney ur have a shot at
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March 07, 2011, 03:10:37 PM »
oh and Paul, congrats on the mincash
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Re: folding to min cash in a tourney ur have a shot at
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March 07, 2011, 03:20:36 PM »
Lols I had qq didn't think twice about shoving
Thought about the hand more in depth
And what situation is right to fold in that spot.
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Re: folding to min cash in a tourney ur have a shot at
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March 07, 2011, 03:26:06 PM »
Quote from: pleno1 on March 07, 2011, 01:30:08 PM
Quote from: Longy on March 07, 2011, 01:14:33 PM
If you aren't going to play the tourney properly don't play it imo. If you have satted in take the $t.
If I qualified for the WSOP me, i am taking the money if available to me or I have satted/ bought in with the intention that the 10k isn't that important to me and I am playing for the win.
This.
Poker is a game, its all about winning, everything you do is about getting all the chips. Playing like this isn't poker, you should always play what you deem to be optimal
for you
Every players situation is different. You are of course right if you are talking to someone who plays a lot of these games and variance and all that evens out. In this case you can't just get your A2 in.
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Re: folding to min cash in a tourney ur have a shot at
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March 07, 2011, 04:23:30 PM »
Quote from: outragous76 on March 07, 2011, 02:13:24 PM
Quote from: pleno1 on March 07, 2011, 01:55:13 PM
Quote from: outragous76 on March 07, 2011, 01:39:57 PM
Quote from: pleno1 on March 07, 2011, 01:30:08 PM
Quote from: Longy on March 07, 2011, 01:14:33 PM
If you aren't going to play the tourney properly don't play it imo. If you have satted in take the $t.
If I qualified for the WSOP me, i am taking the money if available to me or I have satted/ bought in with the intention that the 10k isn't that important to me and I am playing for the win.
This.
Poker is a game, its all about winning, everything you do is about getting all the chips. Playing like this isn't poker, you should always play what you deem to be optimal.
Such bravado Mr P Leno
You are on the WSOP pure bubble - you are going to lock up £20k, plus a 15k pca package, and whatever else, the table behind has a bloke with 1bb who is currently UTG.
You wake up with A2 and 10bbs and its folded to you in the SB but the BB has 1000 bbs and has told you he is calling any shove
You still jam?
Nah, I do a fold. Think its very, very different to walkign away form the computer for 10 minutes to lock up a mincash in this tournie. Also WSOP has a ridic clock so 10bbs in there when I'm on button next >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 13bbs in Sunday million with antes and a turbo structure.
lolz!
^^^^^^^^^^ that has got nothing to do with it. Your "its a game line" is nonesense. Its a +ev shove so why you not making it?
No it isn't
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Re: folding to min cash in a tourney ur have a shot at
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March 07, 2011, 04:27:56 PM »
oh right
Text results appended to pokerstove.txt
33,561,158,400 games 25.475 secs 1,317,415,442 games/sec
Board:
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 55.541% 53.59% 01.95% 17984432796 655818342.00 { A2s, A2o }
Hand 1: 44.459% 42.50% 01.95% 14265088920 655818342.00 { random }
The shove as a stand alone in a vaccum is +ev - not if you include icm considerations its not - that wasnt the thrust of P lenos arguement
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