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« Reply #30 on: March 24, 2011, 04:49:55 PM »

I have to admit to being really lost on this hand. I don't know what I should do pre and I don't know why people are saying bet/call on the flop when I think he has JJ+ maybe AK and TT  too. I don't know why a post from Stato which makes perfect sense to me is +1d by Lildave but called terrible by James mfudging keys.

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« Reply #31 on: March 24, 2011, 04:54:35 PM »

U have an Ace and a King.

Things don't much get it simpler. Just get it in pre. Make it 92 instead of 52 pre.
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« Reply #32 on: March 24, 2011, 04:59:31 PM »

I think both peeling and 4betting pre are reasonable. Given the postflop read that he likes a hero and his range should be fairly strong 3betting UTG from UTG+2 or w/e, im unlikely to put another dime in the pot.
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« Reply #33 on: March 24, 2011, 04:59:50 PM »

The hand is simple, you have told us the following information- he 3bets 99+ and AK, never AQ- when he calls your 4bet you said he is super strong. Which means AA/KK. SO what is there to discuss? As long as his 5bet shoving range is wider than his cold calling our 4 bet range, and he occasionally 3bet folds 9 s T s etc then 4bet getting it in is fine and check folding postflop when he coldcalls is obviously fine.

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« Reply #34 on: March 24, 2011, 05:01:22 PM »

The hand is simple, you have told us the following information- he 3bets 99+ and AK, never AQ- when he calls your 4bet you said he is super strong. Which means AA/KK. SO what is there to discuss? As long as his 5bet shoving range is wider than his cold calling our 4 bet range, and he occasionally 3bet folds 9 s T s etc then 4bet getting it in is fine and check folding postflop when he coldcalls is obviously fine

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« Reply #35 on: March 24, 2011, 05:01:55 PM »

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« Reply #36 on: March 24, 2011, 05:04:30 PM »

U have an Ace and a King.

Things don't much get it simpler. Just get it in pre. Make it 92 instead of 52 pre.

But I don't make it 92 with AA/KK/QQ super exploitable to have different 4bet sizes for AK and AA/KK. NB: It's fine vs random live players tho, but this guy knows me and knows I wouldn't make it 92 with AA/KK.
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« Reply #37 on: March 24, 2011, 05:09:25 PM »

U have an Ace and a King.

Things don't much get it simpler. Just get it in pre. Make it 92 instead of 52 pre.

But I don't make it 92 with AA/KK/QQ super exploitable to have different 4bet sizes for AK and AA/KK. NB: It's fine vs random live players tho, but this guy knows me and knows I wouldn't make it 92 with AA/KK.

Yeh Sorry.

My post was a level.
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« Reply #38 on: March 24, 2011, 05:11:51 PM »

U have an Ace and a King.

Things don't much get it simpler. Just get it in pre. Make it 92 instead of 52 pre.

But I don't make it 92 with AA/KK/QQ super exploitable to have different 4bet sizes for AK and AA/KK. NB: It's fine vs random live players tho, but this guy knows me and knows I wouldn't make it 92 with AA/KK.

Yeh Sorry.

My post was a level.

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« Reply #39 on: March 24, 2011, 05:17:33 PM »

U have an Ace and a King.

Things don't much get it simpler. Just get it in pre. Make it 92 instead of 52 pre.

But I don't make it 92 with AA/KK/QQ super exploitable to have different 4bet sizes for AK and AA/KK. NB: It's fine vs random live players tho, but this guy knows me and knows I wouldn't make it 92 with AA/KK.

Yeh Sorry.

My post was a level.

[X] owned sigh

results when keys/stato/dave post again. oh and Dr.Morgan ITT please.

Missed a chance to bat you with my levelling stick here.

I could have gone all Shaun King on you too and discussed the merits of making it 92 pre then folding.

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« Reply #40 on: March 24, 2011, 05:30:16 PM »

I think it's abso fine to 4bet call

But I think we have to bet/call or jam this flop, agree with Keys Jam might be better, although If you thin he has any AQ spazzes in him bet £37 and snap him off.

I woud never fold to 3bet, I think that has to be burning equity.

given Live people's parchant for peelign A7 and K8 kind of hands there might be a lot of credit to peeling the 3ball and playing a pot 3way with a PSR of like 2.5 or w/e it is.

I honestly think I'm happier getting it in pre, with our fold equity and the presence of 99-QQ/AQ in his range we do ok enough of the time (cba maths-ing it up)
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« Reply #41 on: March 24, 2011, 05:31:38 PM »

U have an Ace and a King.

Things don't much get it simpler. Just get it in pre. Make it 92 instead of 52 pre.

But I don't make it 92 with AA/KK/QQ super exploitable to have different 4bet sizes for AK and AA/KK. NB: It's fine vs random live players tho, but this guy knows me and knows I wouldn't make it 92 with AA/KK.

Yeh Sorry.

My post was a level.

[X] owned sigh

results when keys/stato/dave post again. oh and Dr.Morgan ITT please.

Missed a chance to bat you with my levelling stick here.

I could have gone all Shaun King on you too and discussed the merits of making it 92 pre then folding.

FFS

I wouldn't fallen for that one so don't worry.
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« Reply #42 on: March 24, 2011, 05:33:06 PM »

I think it's abso fine to 4bet call

But I think we have to bet/call or jam this flop, agree with Keys Jam might be better, although If you thin he has any AQ spazzes in him bet £37 and snap him off.

I woud never fold to 3bet, I think that has to be burning equity.

given Live people's parchant for peelign A7 and K8 kind of hands there might be a lot of credit to peeling the 3ball and playing a pot 3way with a PSR of like 2.5 or w/e it is.

I honestly think I'm happier getting it in pre, with our fold equity and the presence of 99-QQ/AQ in his range we do ok enough of the time (cba maths-ing it up)

Why are we betting calling the flop vs JJ/QQ/KK/AA???!?! He won't spaz with AK or AQ.
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« Reply #43 on: March 24, 2011, 05:36:32 PM »

I think it's abso fine to 4bet call

But I think we have to bet/call or jam this flop, agree with Keys Jam might be better, although If you thin he has any AQ spazzes in him bet £37 and snap him off.

I woud never fold to 3bet, I think that has to be burning equity.

given Live people's parchant for peelign A7 and K8 kind of hands there might be a lot of credit to peeling the 3ball and playing a pot 3way with a PSR of like 2.5 or w/e it is.

I honestly think I'm happier getting it in pre, with our fold equity and the presence of 99-QQ/AQ in his range we do ok enough of the time (cba maths-ing it up)

Why are we betting calling the flop vs JJ/QQ/KK/AA???!?! He won't spaz with AK or AQ.

No need for a thread then really? I mean if you are sure of ur read then just go with it- we can only comment on what information we are given anyway as i said
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« Reply #44 on: March 24, 2011, 05:43:00 PM »

I think it's abso fine to 4bet call

But I think we have to bet/call or jam this flop, agree with Keys Jam might be better, although If you thin he has any AQ spazzes in him bet £37 and snap him off.

I woud never fold to 3bet, I think that has to be burning equity.

given Live people's parchant for peelign A7 and K8 kind of hands there might be a lot of credit to peeling the 3ball and playing a pot 3way with a PSR of like 2.5 or w/e it is.

I honestly think I'm happier getting it in pre, with our fold equity and the presence of 99-QQ/AQ in his range we do ok enough of the time (cba maths-ing it up)

Why are we betting calling the flop vs JJ/QQ/KK/AA???!?! He won't spaz with AK or AQ.

No need for a thread then really? I mean if you are sure of ur read then just go with it- we can only comment on what information we are given anyway as i said

Yeh delete the thread. Alex is a noob
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