It's just Ace high but I love it

[cambridgealex]

I think it's abso fine to 4bet call

But I think we have to bet/call or jam this flop, agree with Keys Jam might be better, although If you thin he has any AQ spazzes in him bet £37 and snap him off.

I woud never fold to 3bet, I think that has to be burning equity.

given Live people's parchant for peelign A7 and K8 kind of hands there might be a lot of credit to peeling the 3ball and playing a pot 3way with a PSR of like 2.5 or w/e it is.

I honestly think I'm happier getting it in pre, with our fold equity and the presence of 99-QQ/AQ in his range we do ok enough of the time (cba maths-ing it up)

Why are we betting calling the flop vs JJ/QQ/KK/AA???!?! He won't spaz with AK or AQ.

No need for a thread then really? I mean if you are sure of ur read then just go with it- we can only comment on what information we are given anyway as i said

I was check/folding flop and turn yeh. By the river once he's checked twice I can put him exactly on TT/99 or AK with close to 100% certainty. Can I rep anything with a river shove/barrel?

[Dubai]

You said he has a Super Strong range and likes to hero call postflop. Probably not a good time to be checking down and betting rivers?

[cambridgealex]

You said he has a Super Strong range and likes to hero call postflop. Probably not a good time to be checking down and betting rivers?

lol yeh 

[SuuPRlim]

we have a PSB back and surely SOME EQUITY

we could possibly make him fold 99/TT and AK and when we get it in vs QQ and KK that kinda sucks, but i think it's burning money to leave our boys out there.

4betting pre, and chkingit down here seems very odd.

[Dubai]

He has implied that his cold call 4betting range is possibly stronger than his 5bet shoving range and thus at the top of his tight 3 betting range. If his 3betting range is 99+ and AK, then it dont leave much other than AA KK. That was how i read the opening post anyway. As played it doesnt look like that but he has then added that villain likes to hero call. Basically if u read op carefully u cant do anything other than suggest its correctly played. Obviously thats all based on ops reads tho, and im sure id just ship flop because id have different ranges assigned than OP has given villain

[GreekStein]

Agree with dave about his peeling of a 4-bet range being rly tight. More to the point, noone ever flats ak anymore so he can't be peeling with this right?

[George2Loose]

Agree with dave about his peeling of a 4-bet range being rly tight. More to the point, noone ever flats ak anymore so he can't be peeling with this right?

I flat AK loads.

It's just ace high

[skolsuper]

Yeah I always just ship flop tbh, bet/call was a bad shout from me.

Stato's post is technically all correct and logically fine (as I'd expect from the word wizard) but his conclusion is farcical. How anyone could think that +6bbs is an acceptable result when we have AKs* and 31bbs in the pot already is beyond me.

*edit: vs 2 wide(ish) ranges

[cambridgealex]

I expected him never to peel for 1/3 of his stack - thought he was better than that.

He showed up on the river with TT

[smashedagain]

Ffs. You are playing a china man. Put em all in the same box. Love to gamble and 8 is their lucky number. Chinese don't ever hero call. Whe
N they make what appears to be a hero call the only word going through their head is gamble. If he has any hand you are beating he would have had a gamble to take the pot off you all ready. Don't need to understand the marks here just your opponent

[SuuPRlim]

hang on wait? we're we 4bet folding?

we just can't not bet the flop imo, we're buring money

[SuuPRlim]

Ffs. You are playing a china man. Put em all in the same box. Love to gamble and 8 is their lucky number. Chinese don't ever hero call. Whe
N they make what appears to be a hero call the only word going through their head is gamble. If he has any hand you are beating he would have had a gamble to take the pot off you all ready. Don't need to understand the marks here just your opponent

yup /thread imo

[George2Loose]

Poshboy what happened?

[GreekStein]

Poshboy what happened?

I expected him never to peel for 1/3 of his stack - thought he was better than that.

He showed up on the river with TT

[DMorgan]

Big +1 to dubai really

We have 44% equity vs his range pre coupled with the fact that he likes to hero so we can value by checking Axx and Kxx flops and having him hero with his pocket pair on later streets

If he likes to hero I don't think he's ever folding 99/TT to a flop jam on Jxx

If he folds all of his AK hands then he calls the flop jam with 27 combos of the 36 he can have so folds 25% of the time

By jamming the flop we're betting £98 and we win £110.50 25% of the time and we have 25.2% equity 75% of the time

0.25*110.50+0.75(25.5*110.5) = 27.625+20.88 = Flop bet of £96 has EV of £48.51 - yuck!

Makes the flop an easy check/fold even when he folds all of his chops which he may not do with backdoor diamonds

Pretty tired so not sure if the maths is 100% accurate but its probably close enough to correct to be sure that c/f is the correct play if your given reads are correct

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Board:
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Hand 0:    25.173%     13.49%    11.68%              4809         4162.50   { AsKs }
Hand 1:    74.827%     63.15%    11.68%             22506         4162.50   { AcAd, AcAh, AdAh, KcKd, KcKh, KdKh, QQ, JcJd, JcJs, JdJs, TT-99, AcKc, AdKd, AhKh, AcKd, AcKh, AdKc, AdKh, AhKc, AhKd }


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Board:
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Hand 0:    43.998%     33.52%    10.48%          89535432     27990666.00   { AKs }
Hand 1:    56.002%     45.52%    10.48%         121602660     27990666.00   { 99+, AKs, AKo }


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