PLO Spot

[SuuPRlim]

Here is a spot which I think is pretty interesting


***** Hand History for Game 2695090785 ***** (IPoker)
$100.00 USD PL Omaha - Saturday, March 26, 07:41:12 ET 2011
Table KamenskUralsky (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Seat 1: ViOlHejl ( $100.50 USD )
Seat 3: lizafiza ( $147.50 USD )
Seat 5: 1511 ( $100.00 USD )
Seat 6: HERO ( $462.23 USD )
Seat 8: RazzOmaha ( $191.90 USD )
Seat 10: WillemVanOranje ( $169.43 USD )
ViOlHejl posts small blind [$0.50 USD].
lizafiza posts big blind [$1.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [   ]
HERO raises [$3.50 USD]
RazzOmaha calls [$3.50 USD]
WillemVanOranje raises [$15.50 USD]
ViOlHejl calls [$15.00 USD]
lizafiza folds
HERO calls [$12.00 USD]
RazzOmaha calls [$12.00 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ , , ]
ViOlHejl checks
HERO checks
RazzOmaha checks
WillemVanOranje bets [$47.25 USD]
ViOlHejl folds
HERO raises [$200.00 USD]


would like to get some opinions on the flop, with the options being c/jam, c/fold or pot get it in?

few reads for you, villain is a reg we have tons of history I think he thinks I'm a bit spewy, his 3bet % of 10k hands is 4% and his squeeze% is 8% so pretty tight imo

[GreekStein]

gjkadkasd I hate WillemVanOranje, nit who runs like usain.

Here I expect him to have AA/KK with hearts, so I don't wanna jam but feel we have too many outs to fold. I think call and then get it in on any non heart/non board pair. Any blank 10-2 card basically.

[smashedagain]

no one wants to answer dave prob coz you are the plo  man. me thinks he has a hand 100% with his 2 pot size bets. possibly correct with what cos says (dont see a set with pot pre and this board) or even worse similar hand to you with hearts. if as cos says he runs good it is safe to assume he has been seen getting it in with draws and hitting frequently or havinjg made hands that hold up despite being a dog so is he folding a flop when he pots. imo call and play poker on the turn and either save yourself the $100 he has left or take it off him when he undoubtedly puts it in on turn.

[Dubai]

I play it the same.

[smashedagain]

if the guy does have the big pair and flush draw is dave a 2/1 dog but if just the big pair and no draw i think dave is  around 45% to win. i dont play enough omaha any more but the basic maths will always be the same i thinkl. (just for cos i do have a round of each result according to the holy grail. buy was up against guys jamming with KKKK and germans who thought that straights beat flushes in omaha)

[NoflopsHomer]

Flat flop and get in on a non-heart turn.

[Dubai]

Problem is we almost never have a flush draw when we flat the flop, so our opponent is likely to play almost perfectly against our range. And it would be a pretty huge mistake to call flop and fold turn against AA24etc

[GreekStein]

Problem is we almost never have a flush draw when we flat the flop, so our opponent is likely to play almost perfectly against our range. And it would be a pretty huge mistake to call flop and fold turn against AA24etc

Problem is this opponent like always has AA or KK with hearts to play the hand this way. (I've played a fair amount with him)

[George2Loose]

Problem is we almost never have a flush draw when we flat the flop, so our opponent is likely to play almost perfectly against our range. And it would be a pretty huge mistake to call flop and fold turn against AA24etc

Problem is this opponent like always has AA or KK with hearts to play the hand this way. (I've played a fair amount with him)

so you play it differently against a random/readless?

[Dubai]

Problem is we almost never have a flush draw when we flat the flop, so our opponent is likely to play almost perfectly against our range. And it would be a pretty huge mistake to call flop and fold turn against AA24etc

Problem is this opponent like always has AA or KK with hearts to play the hand this way. (I've played a fair amount with him)

Yeah well im only going on what we are told. Dont know who opponent is, if thats the case then it should be easy just to pokerstove it

[SuuPRlim]

Problem is we almost never have a flush draw when we flat the flop, so our opponent is likely to play almost perfectly against our range. And it would be a pretty huge mistake to call flop and fold turn against AA24etc

Problem is this opponent like always has AA or KK with hearts to play the hand this way. (I've played a fair amount with him)

Yeah well im only going on what we are told. Dont know who opponent is, if thats the case then it should be easy just to pokerstove it

yeah, vs this particular opponent when he makes this bet size he has AA with hearts pretty much 100% (which is technically a chk fold if we run it thru a stove) but I really want to harvest some opinion on how people think to proceed best vs someone with these preflop stats (pretty stndrd for these stakes) without that speicifc read.

[SuuPRlim]

Problem is we almost never have a flush draw when we flat the flop, so our opponent is likely to play almost perfectly against our range. And it would be a pretty huge mistake to call flop and fold turn against AA24etc

any merit to leading the flop in your opinion?

[smashedagain]

Problem is we almost never have a flush draw when we flat the flop, so our opponent is likely to play almost perfectly against our range. And it would be a pretty huge mistake to call flop and fold turn against AA24etc

Problem is this opponent like always has AA or KK with hearts to play the hand this way. (I've played a fair amount with him)

Yeah well im only going on what we are told. Dont know who opponent is, if thats the case then it should be easy just to pokerstove it

yeah, vs this particular opponent when he makes this bet size he has AA with hearts pretty much 100% (which is technically a chk fold if we run it thru a stove) but I really want to harvest some opinion on how people think to proceed best vs someone with these preflop stats (pretty stndrd for these stakes) without that speicifc read.

tell me to get back to the kids dave but do those stats not bear out your and cos's reads of the guy. stats indicate tight and got it pretty much...and if these stats are pretty standard at this particular level then everyone is pretty tight and you can find better spots than this

[Dubai]

Problem is we almost never have a flush draw when we flat the flop, so our opponent is likely to play almost perfectly against our range. And it would be a pretty huge mistake to call flop and fold turn against AA24etc

any merit to leading the flop in your opinion?

Would he check AAxx no hearts, no st draw behind?
If you lead what does he do with AAxx no hearts, no st draw?

[GreekStein]

Readless I get it in george because at these stakes there are too many clowns who wanna bust themselves with bare aces or kings.