Pls help

[George2Loose]

I am really struggling atm. Doesn't seem to matter what I do I lose. Maybe it's cos I'm shit. IDK. I know I should probably 3 bet this pre but we're quite deep and he's 4xed it utg. I really don't want to get into a huge flip this deep if he has AK. What do we do on this gross flop and now what to we do when I get mis raised? Should I be betting flop or c/calling?

Butchered is probably the word.

Full Tilt Poker Game #29819130615: $30,000 Rush Guar (Rebuy) (231568555), Table 170 - 300/600 Ante 75 - No Limit Hold'em - 14:42:47 ET - 2011/04/11
Seat 1: gergi36 (93,151)
Seat 2: FermiDirac (103,408)
Seat 3: 13dewalt13 (100,498)
Seat 4: Bettwurst (54,457)
Seat 5: NUTSpsb (62,829)
Seat 6: George2Loose (46,707)
Seat 7: IHaveMoved (12,740)
Seat 8: ICUUCME23 (119,857)
Seat 9: dafunk001 (68,854)
gergi36 antes 75
FermiDirac antes 75
13dewalt13 antes 75
Bettwurst antes 75
NUTSpsb antes 75
George2Loose antes 75
IHaveMoved antes 75
ICUUCME23 antes 75
dafunk001 antes 75
FermiDirac posts the small blind of 300
13dewalt13 posts the big blind of 600
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to George2Loose [ ]
Bettwurst folds
NUTSpsb raises to 2,400
gergi36 has been disconnected
gergi36 has reconnected
George2Loose calls 2,400
IHaveMoved folds
ICUUCME23 folds
dafunk001 calls 2,400
gergi36 folds
FermiDirac folds
13dewalt13 folds
*** FLOP *** [ ]
NUTSpsb checks
George2Loose bets 5,550
dafunk001 raises to 11,100

[titaniumbean]

Any reads on the min raiser?

flatting pre is fine, this isn't 'an awful' flop for us though we obviously are really not thrilled about being minraised.

I think i'd mainly just fold flop unless i'd already opr'ed this guy/had a read on him denoting him as incapable of being good......

[George2Loose]

Sorry. Its rushaments

[GreekStein]

the 4x pre makes me even more keen to 3b

[Whollyflush]

start by calling, turn action?

[George2Loose]

I call.js on turn. I check. He bets like 15 (sorry on phone now)

[George2Loose]

Tbh wish I had just folded flop. He hardly ever checks turn or min raises flop with worse

[redarmi]

I definitely 3bet pre but I don't think calling is particularly bad.  As played I fold the flop but once I have called the flop I am willing to go all the way with the hand on a no overcard/no heart turn. Agree with Titbean that it isn't a horrible flop and whilst you are crushed by some hands he has you are crushing most of his overpairs.

[AlexMartin]

think i fold the flop tbh.

[George2Loose]

Betting flop ok?

[the sicilian]

wot are u putting him on george?

..as no rr from him pre he doesnt have a big pair as he wouldnt want to go to the flop 3 handed..unless real bad (although i have  have seen people voluntarily go to the flop 6 handed with kings when last to act ) obv his either protecting set or drawing... i think by the turn bet he has a set as a sensible player would take the free card u gave him to hit his draw and control the pot. Unless his total bluff happy loon....  As played fold the turn... not sure im folding the flop just yet because he is more likely to have a draw on such a wet board...

[George2Loose]

Felt like a set. Just not playing well.

Ps¦ Thx for the mc staking btw

[outragous76]

reminded me of this

[SuuPRlim]

Im sure he has Aces here

lol @Tony G

[the rage]

 Although a set is a distinct possibility i do think that  JJ is a serious candidate. Villian sees your bet as a possible continuation bet with AK / AQ but is, at the same time concerned, correctly, that you may have the overpair and so makes a relatively cheap attempt to take the pot down. He then gets lucky on the turn and value bets you.
 I think that not three betting was a mistake, but i think that betting and calling the min-raise on the flop was ok. I assume that you folded to the turn bet. Villian managed to put you in a very difficult spot, whatever he was holding due to his positional advantage. WP villian. Cheers for posting George