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« Reply #75 on: May 17, 2011, 12:29:45 PM » |
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If we allow a criminal and savage act to be punished by a criminal and savage act then the criminals are winning and reducing society to their level. Policymakers have a moral responsibility to society to ensure that this doesn't happen.
this post has baffled me. maybe I'm not getting your point but how are the criminals winning if we throw acid in this guy's eyes? |
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« Reply #76 on: May 17, 2011, 12:31:43 PM » |
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Doesn't matter what the punishment is - scumbags gonna scumbag.
It only acts as a deterrent to those least likely to commit the crime in the first place.
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« Reply #77 on: May 17, 2011, 12:35:18 PM » |
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i am not sure if he knew
but don't you think its a bigger deterrent than what happens in this country today??
Theres no right or wrong on this..i agree though that a lots crimes committed do not receive punishments befitting them...however stepping back a couple thousand years in terms of civilisation is not the answer either.. |
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« Reply #78 on: May 17, 2011, 12:35:22 PM » |
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Doesn't matter what the punishment is - scumbags gonna scumbag.
It only acts as a deterrent to those least likely to commit the crime in the first place.
This. +1, this is what i was trying to say.. +1 i crap at putting my point across but i guess this is what i thought |
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« Reply #79 on: May 17, 2011, 12:36:00 PM » |
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New rule of the internet - any argument on any topic can be summarised as 'someone's gonna someone'
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« Reply #80 on: May 17, 2011, 12:38:25 PM » |
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New rule of the internet - any argument on any topic can be summarised as 'someone's gonna someone'
Moderators gonna Moderate 'Someone's gonna Something' Surely? |
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« Reply #81 on: May 17, 2011, 12:41:09 PM » |
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New rule of the internet - any argument on any topic can be summarised as 'someone's gonna someone'
Moderators gonna Moderate 'Someone's gonna Something' Surely? Er, yeah. |
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« Reply #82 on: May 17, 2011, 02:59:05 PM » |
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Punishment is not just about being a deterrent (although that is the major factor). It is also for the well being of society from an emotive point of view. If people see justice being served then it is good for morale and the cohesiveness of society. If people see burglers getting let off from jail sentences even for their third offence, then people live under a cloud and resent the authorities. A "what is the point?" attitude can prevail, especially if liberal sentencing is combined with punitive tax rates.
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« Reply #83 on: May 17, 2011, 05:23:53 PM » |
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Punishment is not just about being a deterrent (although that is the major factor). It is also for the well being of society from an emotive point of view. If people see justice being served then it is good for morale and the cohesiveness of society. If people see burglers getting let off from jail sentences even for their third offence, then people live under a cloud and resent the authorities. A "what is the point?" attitude can prevail, especially if liberal sentencing is combined with punitive tax rates.
Whereas everyone in Iran is whoopie-doo about their authorities. |
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« Reply #84 on: May 17, 2011, 05:46:14 PM » |
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His punishment should be worse than what he did to her.
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« Reply #85 on: May 17, 2011, 06:54:52 PM » |
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His punishment should be worse than what he did to her.
a Geordie with common sense ....wow |
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« Reply #86 on: May 17, 2011, 09:26:14 PM » |
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If we allow a criminal and savage act to be punished by a criminal and savage act then the criminals are winning and reducing society to their level. Policymakers have a moral responsibility to society to ensure that this doesn't happen.
this post has baffled me. maybe I'm not getting your point but how are the criminals winning if we throw acid in this guy's eyes? Not sure I explained myself that well either to be honest but I suppose what I was getting at was that throwing acid in someones face is a truy horrific thing to do and the fact that one idiot somewhere has done it doesn't mean that we should start doing it as individuals or as a government. It would debase us as a society to have something like as a punishment and it would be pretty hard to ask anyone to do that (although the victim seems willing in this case). We have to have standards of behaviour that are considered beyond the pale irrespective of who does them and I personally believe that our punishments should be humane although strict whre neccesary. |
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« Reply #87 on: May 17, 2011, 09:49:46 PM » |
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If we allow a criminal and savage act to be punished by a criminal and savage act then the criminals are winning and reducing society to their level. Policymakers have a moral responsibility to society to ensure that this doesn't happen.
this post has baffled me. maybe I'm not getting your point but how are the criminals winning if we throw acid in this guy's eyes? Not sure I explained myself that well either to be honest but I suppose what I was getting at was that throwing acid in someones face is a truy horrific thing to do and the fact that one idiot somewhere has done it doesn't mean that we should start doing it as individuals or as a government. It would debase us as a society to have something like as a punishment and it would be pretty hard to ask anyone to do that (although the victim seems willing in this case). We have to have standards of behaviour that are considered beyond the pale irrespective of who does them and I personally believe that our punishments should be humane although strict whre neccesary. with you now. yeah, that all makes sense |
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« Reply #88 on: May 17, 2011, 10:12:56 PM » |
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If we allow a criminal and savage act to be punished by a criminal and savage act then the criminals are winning and reducing society to their level. Policymakers have a moral responsibility to society to ensure that this doesn't happen.
this post has baffled me. maybe I'm not getting your point but how are the criminals winning if we throw acid in this guy's eyes? Not sure I explained myself that well either to be honest but I suppose what I was getting at was that throwing acid in someones face is a truy horrific thing to do and the fact that one idiot somewhere has done it doesn't mean that we should start doing it as individuals or as a government. It would debase us as a society to have something like as a punishment and it would be pretty hard to ask anyone to do that (although the victim seems willing in this case). We have to have standards of behaviour that are considered beyond the pale irrespective of who does them and I personally believe that our punishments should be humane although strict whre neccesary. good post. also interested to know whether people who think this type of punishment should be meted out see it as being an alternative to a prison sentence or in addition to. the way I see it prison serves three purposes: 1: punishment (in the form of loss of freedom and liberty for x amount of time), 2: rehabilitation (not possible in all cases, but certainly in some and should be attempted where a favourable outcome may be expected) and 3: protection for society by keeping the individual in a secure environment where there is a high risk that they may reoffend. if we decided the best form of punishment in this case was throwing acid over the perpetrator's face, then leaving him to it, I can't see what has really been usefully achieved, other than an act of vengeance. |
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« Reply #89 on: May 17, 2011, 10:55:27 PM » |
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Revenge is an act of passion; vengeance of justice. Injuries are revenged; crimes are avenged.
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