DTD Grand Prix 4 announced €250,000 guaranteed

[DTD-ACES]

So basically instead of it being a €50 tournament it's a €500 tournament which you can't buy in to and have to qualify via a satellite?

No , it's a €50 tournament that because of it's structure allowing re entry and the 2nd day is capped at 500 players provides the equivalent value of playing a €500 entry in relation to the €250,000 guarantee.

Cheers

ACES

[DTD-ACES]

That's just about the way I read it too, it's effectively an €500 tourney after all the qualifiers.

Will there be any direct buy-in to the day twos?

There will be no direct buy in to day 2, this is a €50 entry with a completely new structure whereby you play Day 1 and have to come in the top 10% to qualify for Day 2 and then all returning players compete for the €250,000 prizepool using our Deepstack structure.

Cheers

ACES

[DTD-ACES]

So basically instead of it being a €50 tournament it's a €500 tournament which you can't buy in to and have to qualify via a satellite?

No because the prizes are based on €50 not €500.

If you make day 2 you definitely get some money back.

If it was as you say you'd still have to beat 90% of the field to get to the min cash which would be €500 ish.

You could just look at it as a €500 comp where 100% of the field gets paid I guess. I assume the first people out will be getting paid €75, based as you say on the original €50.

Yes, unlike this weekend where 376 returned and only 153 cashed , all players will be in the money and minimum return will be €75.

Cheers

ACES

[lutonrover]

Rob / Simon...great stuff , I would have loved another shot this time as its a trek from Luton  , this tourney guarantees me a bloomin good try , so hats off to you both ,

well done , just to  say the buzz at the club last week was unbelievable


best poker club ever


Rover

[DTD-ACES]

In theory I suppose the maximum number of day 2 players is 99.9% of the unique entries.

Assume 1000 entries who all keep re entering.

1st comp 100 get through of 1000.

2nd comp 90/900

3rd comp 81/810

4th comp 73/729

etc..... until you've only got 9 left who can't play any more.

I need to think about this some more. Very confusing.

DTD need the players who are prepared to re enter to keep losing in order to meet the guarantee.

If the deep pockets all get through on their 1st go there's going to be a big overlay.

We are taking a risk but that is what makes Dusk Till Dawn unique and fun, it is highly unlikely we will get 5000 unique players but we should get 500 playing day 2, assume 700 play Day 1, 70 will get through and it then depends what %age of the 630 who didn't will want to try again and how many more players will add to these each day in addition to the online Day 1's, the feedback we have had is that most players will try at least once due to the massive roi should you go deep so, in theory we need 2500 players.

Cheers

ACES

[DTD-ACES]

The prizes could be interesting.

The guarantee is €250k which means 5000 entrants.

However because it's a satellite type event there aren't going to be 500 people paid out.

Payouts will be for everyone who makes day 2 but that will only be 10% of the number of unique players not including re entries.

presumably once you're through to day 2 you can't then reenter as you can only play day 2 once so payouts will be 10% of total entries, not unique

Exactly.

[DTD-ACES]

ah, now I get where the confusion is. I'm assuming that re-entries means you can enter another qualifier. matt/nana assuming you can do that or re-enter the same one

surely I'm assuming it correctly as I can't imagine the dtd software allows for re-entries in the online qualifiers, they'll just be run as seperate tournies and you can enter more than one of these, no?

or will the live and online day 1s be using different rules?

You can not re enter the same Day 1 flight but you can re enter as many of the 20 flights available you wish to play.

Cheers

ACES

[DTD-ACES]

It's effectively a DTD Festival structure two day event.  €500 entry.

It's not a €500 tourney at all though because you're already in the money.

It's the 2nd stage of a €50 tourney and you've already min cashed.

Whatever it is, despite my early reservations I now think it's awesome purely because nobody has a clue how it's going to work out.

Whatever happens I know I'll be having a few goes.

Perfect description.

Great, now if we can just find another 2499 players we should be fine lol.

Cheers

ACES

[Ironside]

if 500 players quailfy and there is 2 flights left will you scape the last 2 flights ?

[EvilPie]

You know what. This is fricking awesome.

The more I think about the more I like it.

The restart on day 2 is a great plan because as Rob said the latest grand prix was a definite crapshoot.

As long as the top prizes are similar to the deepstack then EV wise it's well worth 6, 7 or 8 attempts.

Any chance you could post the proposed payouts based on say 300, 400 or 500 returning for day 2?

I'm going to guess at least 30k up top possibly more. The punters need to know because I really think a lot won't realise what good value it is to have several goes at day 1.

[DTD-ACES]

In theory I suppose the maximum number of day 2 players is 99.9% of the unique entries.

Assume 1000 entries who all keep re entering.

1st comp 100 get through of 1000.

2nd comp 90/900

3rd comp 81/810

4th comp 73/729

etc..... until you've only got 9 left who can't play any more.

I need to think about this some more. Very confusing.

DTD need the players who are prepared to re enter to keep losing in order to meet the guarantee.

If the deep pockets all get through on their 1st go there's going to be a big overlay.

Actually I think we might be wrong here. We need clarification on what "top 10%" means. 10% of unique entries or 10% of total entries. If a qualifier gets 100 people and re-entries takes it to 200 entries then they will probably put 20 through? The thing about that though is you could theoretically end up in a situation where you're putting more than 100% of the field through, though I guess realistically that would never happen.

You can not re enter the same flight , therefore the 10% will be unique players.

eg. if there are 340 - 345 players 34 will qualify, if there are 346 - 350 35 will qualify.

Cheers

ACES

[DTD-ACES]

if 500 players quailfy and there is 2 flights left will you scape the last 2 flights ?

No, but once the online satellites are done we will know how many we need to qualify in the club and will adjust caps on each flight to suit, i would imagine the last 2 will be sold out at least a week in advance.

Cheers

ACES

[Ironside]

well if i am on my feet wheels again by then i will try some online sats

[lutonrover]

so here goes


can I play each flight in the club on sat and Sun if I need to


cheers

[kinboshi]

Love the concept, and it's definitely going to encourage more people to play online as well.