Play along with Flushy number 2

[Royal Flush]

Ok this is a shorter one but the hand is a lot diffrent to the KQh on the Q hi flop with 2 hearts situation.

This is hand 2 of a ladbrokes $25 freezeout, all the chip stacks are 1500.



FlushyP4C posted the small blind - $10.00

Norfolkman posted the big blind - $20.00

** Dealing card to FlushyP4C: Jack of Clubs, Jack of Diamonds

MARTINUS folded
legin1961 folded
pirate_001 raised - $160.00
spear999 folded
RhinoNeil1 folded
lakris112 folded
Black-Pagan folded
slamer folded

Now its up to us in the small blind. A 160 raise is rather large on 10-20 blinds, what do we put the raiser on and what do we do?

[booder]

call and see the flop

[jezza777]

An EP raise of so much says medium pair to me so you could either fold here (which i would with these blinds) or call and count an A or K as top pair and bet him off on the flop.

[JungleCat03]

Fold in case he has a medium pair?

Sounds a bit crazy.

Flat call, assess on the flop.

Do not pass tho. This early in the tournament is where the poor players lurk. Hunt down their chips and get them in your stack. A premium  hand like JJ is a good one to do this.

It might be difficult to play out of position, but u are not committed to it. If he has 88 99 TT and a low flop comes u may stack him. If overcards come, you can reassess but you might still be able to extract some value from weaker hands that are behind by hiding your strength till later streets.

[jezza777]

errr misread flushy's post thought his holding was JQoff . A flat call here i think . i dont want to raise and give him the chance to come over the top so take a flop.

[Royal Flush]

FlushyP4C called - $160.00

Norfolkman called - $160.00



** Dealing the flop:



Now what have we gotten into!!

480 pot its us to speak

[jezza777]

You have to bet to represent the King and gain information about his hand , no need to go crazy a probe of $220 should define his hand and make the rest of the hand straightforward. (ish)

[booder]

i would be pretty confident of being in front.........check raise for me

[jezza777]

i would be pretty confident of being in front.........check raise for me

What range do you have him on at this point ?

[JungleCat03]

It's unfortunate u picked up a 3rd caller from the BB.

OOP with this, I would check to observe how much the others like the flop. If the original raiser leads weakly and u sense he may have missed, then i would check/call and lead a blank turn. This way u can keep the pot smaller than if u check raise, as u are relatively unsure where u are. If the BB bets out, I would fold as he is showing strength against the preflop riaser out of position and i would credit him with a King. If the preflop riaser makes a big bet on the flop, leave it son.

[booder]

oooooooops  didnt notice big blind had called as well.....i would check

[Royal Flush]

FlushyP4C checked

Norfolkman bet - $200.00
pirate_001 called - $200.00

Now what? My person opinion is that the BB would check a King to see what the button would do considering i had flat called, i am thinking A9

[ACE2M]

i put pirate on AQ and the bb on 10 J.

I probably would have gone all in pre flop just to get it over with as i can't win anything anyway.

[JungleCat03]

Ok.

The pot is 480 and the BB has led for half the pot. This is either a King bet, a possible A9 bet, although i dont think this is massively likely, or a draw semi bluff such as TJ 67 sooted.

Original raiser flat calls. Interesting, could be slowplaying AK, deciding to commit on the turn, maybe he has KK AA and again is deciding to get more chips in on the turn or river. Maybe he has a hand like AQ AJ and is chasing. Maybe he has a set. His range is still fairly wide i think.


OK what's the options.

1) Flat call.

Don't like it. You are getting sucked into playing a big pot with an underpair out of position to 2 players who have shown some strength on the flop. Additionally there are qutie a few cards that could hurt you on the turn, but you won't know very accurately which ones. Being out of position exacerbates this problem.

2) Check Reraise.

By doing this the pot is now getting very big. Effectiveky u are committing yourself to this hand. You coudl decide to do something like check riase to 600-750 then fold to any reraise, ot hopefully take the pot down. It's a risky manouevre.

 I don't think this is a great idea as you dont really have enough information and u dont have a very strong hand(now).

3) Fold.

You are in a fairly uncertain position vs 2 players who have shown some strength on a flop wiht an overcard to your pair. I think u should fold.

Interesting to see how other players see this.

[SupaMonkey]

I think you should fold here. I think you should have reraised before the flop or let it go. Now it is very difficult to put the players on hands. The bb's bet looks weak so he is either scared or very strong IMO. Its concievable that he called with a weak king from the bb preflop and he may have two pair or be worried that he is out kicked.

Flushy's play makes me think that he has a made hand, i am assuming that the quality of play at $25 is good and so he wouldn't be raising from that position with a connector. If he had a draw he is risking the check-raise from you so i think he is checking to encourage callers which makes think he's got trip 8 or 9's. Still, it impossible to tell what goes through some peoples minds and he may be checking hoping for you call to give him pot odds for a draw.

I think you don't have much info about the players, a big reraise is a dangerous gamble so i would lay it down here.