Play along with Flushy number 2

[ACE2M]

Seriously i don't put utg on A9.. why such a big raise pre flop?
I think BB is trying to see a cheap turn and reckons he will find out pretty quickly if original raiser has the KK AA or AK he is representing pre flop, and if he has one of these he might get cheeky and slow play thus giving good odds for the draw to hand like 10 J, 67.

I don't think BB can flat call a big hand pre flop to play a 3 way pot.

So i still reckon pirate has missed the flop and the bb has a draw.

Either way i would get out as the pot is going to be to big if you flat call for you to be able to take it without putting in a huge bet, and i don't think you want to take a pop at it here.

[Royal Flush]

Great stuff guys, some of you are putting a lot of work into the reasoning, i will save mine till after the hand.



FlushyP4C called - $200.00

** Dealing the turn:

Ok so i called and i have hit my miracle. However if i was right in my thoughhts that the raiser had missed and the BB had bet a weak holding, how should i go about playing the hand?

[JungleCat03]

its unlikely this card helps anyone but you.

Great you have mvoed into pole position.

pot is now 1080, board is showing 89KJ.

It's not massively likely that either hand, having not improved will use this card to make a bluff at, so i think you should simply go about charging str8 draws incorrect prices as the pot is already at a ncie size.

I would bet 600 or so, realtively happy with either a fold or a call and committing a King who by calling 600 is really calling your last 500 odd chips on the river too.

[ACE2M]

If you are totally confident that you have the best hand you should check, the utg raiser will go for it i reckon if it gets checked to him.
Strong chance that the bb may have another pop and you can come over the top. either way you get to stick all your chips in.
Surely this is favourite as someone must have at least a draw on now and the big pot will look tempting for a semi bluff.

If they all check then barring a 10 or Q on the river you will be able to get your chips in then with the same confidence..

[Longy]

I would lead out with about half the pot which i think make it about 500 or 600. My reasoning is that i think this is just about small enough to get marginal holdings to consider a call while still extracting money and given them poor odds for any draw they are on. It also asks them to define their hands if our ep really does have a strong holding he might well raise (has he been silly enough to trap with ak or aa). It also makes the bb make a decision as he was mainly focusing on the ep probably and your bet will put him to a decision.
If the river comes with q or 10 on it you aren't going to like it.

Btw i agree with flushy i think bb prob has something like a9 or a weak(ish) king. The ep i really am struggle with lets hope he has 8's or 9's he he.

[Royal Flush]

FlushyP4C checked

Norfolkman bet - $20.00

pirate_001 went all-in - $1140.00

FlushyP4C went all-in - $1120.00

Norfolkman folded

pirate_001 shows......

Anyone guess the hand?

P.S. Not you jungle!

[ACE2M]

AQ or something really stupid like 77.

i change my mind.... 10 10

[SupaMonkey]

I was supposed to post this before royal flush's last post.

The bb's weak bet on the flop makes me think that he won't bet again so a check raise is out (not sure about flushy) i would bet around the pot here. I would expect the bb to call or fold and flushy to flat call. You are definitely ahead at this point but i am worried that the bb has something like K-10 and it is possible flushy made that big raise with 10-10. There is 1080 in the pot, i would take it down now.

[SupaMonkey]

I think in light of your last post it was something stupid like J-10

[Royal Flush]

He had AQ.

As it happens he hit a Ten on the river, but i think i played the hand really badly.

Pre flop i put the guy on AK/AQ TT something like that, i dont really want to push in when i am so sure about someone's holding, i rather play them down the streets. The BB calling was a big downside, but it was not expected.

On the flop i like checking in these spots and seeing if i can evaluate whats going on, it also makes me harder to read. When the BB has led out and the Button has called i think its a clear fold. I made a poor call and got lucky, i then continued to play the hand poorly by checking, which i got lucky with again, sadly i got outdrawn but i should never have been there.

[ACE2M]

I think you played it right at the turn, i want to let him bluff at the pot because i reckon he will do it with all his chips. But then again i bust out of a lot of tournaments to outdraws like this so maybe i should re think.

[Royal Flush]

By leading on the turn i might suck them both in, if i am left to check raise the player in LP i lose the BB.

[SupaMonkey]

I would have bet out on the flop and out again on the turn. I prefer to make people fold and not show my cards.

The bet on the flop defines my hand and the turn bet would have been a value bet. I think the check raise was risky because it could have been checked all the way around although in this case you should have scooped yourself a nice pot.

I have to admit, i often seem to have trouble making money on my good hands.

[matt674]

Cousin Merve, is that you?!?!?!?!?!

[ACE2M]

By leading on the turn i might suck them both in, if i am left to check raise the player in LP i lose the BB.

Depends how much you lead with, the bb is not calling anything above 150 i don't think.

The utg is nuts but he probably lays it down to a solid bet.

If you bet 500 i think you lose them both and take the pot which in hindsight would be preferable to losing your stack.

If you do bet 150 i think you get an extra call from the bb but the utg may well not make his big semi bluff. Then you have to lay it down on the river to his all in.

I find making the pot big enough to encourage someone to have a big bet at it when i am holding a monster is a very good way to accumulate a big stack early on.

But as i said i lose fairly often to sick draws early on, so it may well not be the best strategy.