ethical spot

[mondatoo]

Just to be clear, this wasn't a planned angle like the German claimed against de Wolfe. I was shocked that he was mucking when I told him I was playing the board. It was only afterward I felt that morally it could be wrong

If you told him your playing the board and he heard you then can't see how you did much wrong, surely he didn't hear you though ?

[Karabiner]

Just to be clear, this wasn't a planned angle like the German claimed against de Wolfe. I was shocked that he was mucking when I told him I was playing the board. It was only afterward I felt that morally it could be wrong

I'm not suggesting that it was a planned angle for one second George, I know you better than that.

Just saying that it's not that far removed from an out and out angle-shot after you ask the dealer to muck his cards.

[outragous76]

The Germans actions were not wrong. RDW did not table a hand and DID muck his own hand, therefore I'm not sure on which planet he ever believed he would be entitled to the pot

[titaniumbean]

Just to be clear, this wasn't a planned angle like the German claimed against de Wolfe. I was shocked that he was mucking when I told him I was playing the board. It was only afterward I felt that morally it could be wrong

I'm not suggesting that it was a planned angle for one second George, I know you better than that.

Just saying that it's not that far removed from an out and out angle-shot after you ask the dealer to muck his cards.

when I get dealt 2 cards in succession from the deck and tell the dealer that it's a misdeal am I 'angling' for a better hand or trying to follow the rules.


if a player mucks his hand it's the dealers job to put it in the muck


it sounds like here the dealer wasn't in control of the table enough/people don't know the showdown rules well enough.


pretty simple.


this is why there are pages and pages of rules.

[Karabiner]

Just to be clear, this wasn't a planned angle like the German claimed against de Wolfe. I was shocked that he was mucking when I told him I was playing the board. It was only afterward I felt that morally it could be wrong

I'm not suggesting that it was a planned angle for one second George, I know you better than that.

Just saying that it's not that far removed from an out and out angle-shot after you ask the dealer to muck his cards.

when I get dealt 2 cards in succession from the deck and tell the dealer that it's a misdeal am I 'angling' for a better hand or trying to follow the rules.


if a player mucks his hand it's the dealers job to put it in the muck


it sounds like here the dealer wasn't in control of the table enough/people don't know the showdown rules well enough.


pretty simple.


this is why there are pages and pages of rules.

The German guy did not break any rules v RdW yet everyone knows that he was angle-shooting.

[Cf]

Just to be clear, this wasn't a planned angle like the German claimed against de Wolfe. I was shocked that he was mucking when I told him I was playing the board. It was only afterward I felt that morally it could be wrong

I'm not suggesting that it was a planned angle for one second George, I know you better than that.

Just saying that it's not that far removed from an out and out angle-shot after you ask the dealer to muck his cards.

when I get dealt 2 cards in succession from the deck and tell the dealer that it's a misdeal am I 'angling' for a better hand or trying to follow the rules.


if a player mucks his hand it's the dealers job to put it in the muck


it sounds like here the dealer wasn't in control of the table enough/people don't know the showdown rules well enough.


pretty simple.


this is why there are pages and pages of rules.

The German guy did not break any rules v RdW yet everyone knows that he was angle-shooting.

I don't see how he was.

If it's your turn to act on showdown you have 2 options. Table your cards or muck. Verbally announce it if you want but your two options still remain table the hand or muck. RdW decided to muck so the German gets the pot as he was the only player to table a hand. Simple.

[WotRTheChances]

Surely there isn't much to talk about here. You have said you play the board and villain wants to muck, just terrible poker and deserves to lose the pot, no ethics involved. If I hadn't said "I play the board", I wouldn't encourage the muck, but that is just tez

[Karabiner]

Just to be clear, this wasn't a planned angle like the German claimed against de Wolfe. I was shocked that he was mucking when I told him I was playing the board. It was only afterward I felt that morally it could be wrong

I'm not suggesting that it was a planned angle for one second George, I know you better than that.

Just saying that it's not that far removed from an out and out angle-shot after you ask the dealer to muck his cards.

when I get dealt 2 cards in succession from the deck and tell the dealer that it's a misdeal am I 'angling' for a better hand or trying to follow the rules.


if a player mucks his hand it's the dealers job to put it in the muck


it sounds like here the dealer wasn't in control of the table enough/people don't know the showdown rules well enough.


pretty simple.


this is why there are pages and pages of rules.

The German guy did not break any rules v RdW yet everyone knows that he was angle-shooting.

I don't see how he was.

If it's your turn to act on showdown you have 2 options. Table your cards or muck. Verbally announce it if you want but your two options still remain table the hand or muck. RdW decided to muck so the German gets the pot as he was the only player to table a hand. Simple.

Obviously the term "angle-shooting" is subjective and some people would have an argument in an empty house.

In my book deliberately calling a river bet with no hand because you feel that oppo is bluffing and he has a tendency to muck when picked off is angle-shooting, especially when the guy explains afterwards that was his sole intention when calling.

Playing by the rules does not preclude a player from angle-shooting when the rules are part of the angle.

[Cf]

Just to be clear, this wasn't a planned angle like the German claimed against de Wolfe. I was shocked that he was mucking when I told him I was playing the board. It was only afterward I felt that morally it could be wrong

I'm not suggesting that it was a planned angle for one second George, I know you better than that.

Just saying that it's not that far removed from an out and out angle-shot after you ask the dealer to muck his cards.

when I get dealt 2 cards in succession from the deck and tell the dealer that it's a misdeal am I 'angling' for a better hand or trying to follow the rules.


if a player mucks his hand it's the dealers job to put it in the muck


it sounds like here the dealer wasn't in control of the table enough/people don't know the showdown rules well enough.


pretty simple.


this is why there are pages and pages of rules.

The German guy did not break any rules v RdW yet everyone knows that he was angle-shooting.

I don't see how he was.

If it's your turn to act on showdown you have 2 options. Table your cards or muck. Verbally announce it if you want but your two options still remain table the hand or muck. RdW decided to muck so the German gets the pot as he was the only player to table a hand. Simple.

Obviously the term "angle-shooting" is subjective and some people would have an argument in an empty house.

In my book deliberately calling a river bet with no hand because you feel that oppo is bluffing and he has a tendency to muck when picked off is angle-shooting, especially when the guy explains afterwards that was his sole intention when calling.

Playing by the rules does not preclude a player from angle-shooting when the rules are part of the angle.

Makes it a damn clever call in my book.

RdW is the one angle shooting, trying to get the other player to reveal his hand when he was under no obligation to do so.

[Karabiner]

Just to be clear, this wasn't a planned angle like the German claimed against de Wolfe. I was shocked that he was mucking when I told him I was playing the board. It was only afterward I felt that morally it could be wrong

I'm not suggesting that it was a planned angle for one second George, I know you better than that.

Just saying that it's not that far removed from an out and out angle-shot after you ask the dealer to muck his cards.

when I get dealt 2 cards in succession from the deck and tell the dealer that it's a misdeal am I 'angling' for a better hand or trying to follow the rules.


if a player mucks his hand it's the dealers job to put it in the muck


it sounds like here the dealer wasn't in control of the table enough/people don't know the showdown rules well enough.


pretty simple.


this is why there are pages and pages of rules.

The German guy did not break any rules v RdW yet everyone knows that he was angle-shooting.

I don't see how he was.

If it's your turn to act on showdown you have 2 options. Table your cards or muck. Verbally announce it if you want but your two options still remain table the hand or muck. RdW decided to muck so the German gets the pot as he was the only player to table a hand. Simple.

Obviously the term "angle-shooting" is subjective and some people would have an argument in an empty house.

In my book deliberately calling a river bet with no hand because you feel that oppo is bluffing and he has a tendency to muck when picked off is angle-shooting, especially when the guy explains afterwards that was his sole intention when calling.

Playing by the rules does not preclude a player from angle-shooting when the rules are part of the angle.

Makes it a damn clever call in my book.

RdW is the one angle shooting, trying to get the other player to reveal his hand when he was under no obligation to do so.

Clever yes but sharp practice nonetheless.

Suggesting that RdW was angle-shooting is just plain stupid.

[Cf]

Just to be clear, this wasn't a planned angle like the German claimed against de Wolfe. I was shocked that he was mucking when I told him I was playing the board. It was only afterward I felt that morally it could be wrong

I'm not suggesting that it was a planned angle for one second George, I know you better than that.

Just saying that it's not that far removed from an out and out angle-shot after you ask the dealer to muck his cards.

when I get dealt 2 cards in succession from the deck and tell the dealer that it's a misdeal am I 'angling' for a better hand or trying to follow the rules.


if a player mucks his hand it's the dealers job to put it in the muck


it sounds like here the dealer wasn't in control of the table enough/people don't know the showdown rules well enough.


pretty simple.


this is why there are pages and pages of rules.

The German guy did not break any rules v RdW yet everyone knows that he was angle-shooting.

I don't see how he was.

If it's your turn to act on showdown you have 2 options. Table your cards or muck. Verbally announce it if you want but your two options still remain table the hand or muck. RdW decided to muck so the German gets the pot as he was the only player to table a hand. Simple.

Obviously the term "angle-shooting" is subjective and some people would have an argument in an empty house.

In my book deliberately calling a river bet with no hand because you feel that oppo is bluffing and he has a tendency to muck when picked off is angle-shooting, especially when the guy explains afterwards that was his sole intention when calling.

Playing by the rules does not preclude a player from angle-shooting when the rules are part of the angle.

Makes it a damn clever call in my book.

RdW is the one angle shooting, trying to get the other player to reveal his hand when he was under no obligation to do so.

Clever yes but sharp practice nonetheless.

Suggesting that RdW was angle-shooting is just plain stupid.

RdW was trying to get the other player to reveal the strength of his hand. He has no right to do that until he has performed his own action at showdown as it was his turn. AFTER he has either tabled/mucked his hand he can request to see. But at that point in time he had no right to that information so just needed to get on with his own action.

[AndrewT]

We had a big long thread about the RdW hand and I seem to remember people posted plenty of fail on that thread as well.

[Solaris]

Roland bet the river and got called. It was on him to show his cards and he mucked instead. He deservedly lost.

He wasn't angle-shooting though.

[cambridgealex]

Roland bet the river and got called. It was on him to show his cards and he mucked instead. He deservedly lost.

He wasn't angle-shooting though.

+1

omg

[Cf]

Roland bet the river and got called. It was on him to show his cards and he mucked instead. He deservedly lost.

He wasn't angle-shooting though.

+1

omg

Well, I guess he wasn't angle shooting as such. But if either player was doing so in this scenario it was RdW. The other guy did nothing wrong.