Live feeds and hole cards: Ethics and considerations

[MANTIS01]

Some good points being raised now. I would wager that if I refused to show hole cards and that was deemed ok every single other player would snap refuse to do so as well. They don't want me having an advantage see? The reason people appeared happy was a) because it's a new thing to have down your local bricks and mortar so these issues haven't been explored properly b) People happy to make ft and more focussed on the $$ and the game not factors they can't control c) People thinking it's a level playing field cos all cards exposed. Yet afterwards when things are digested people can easily think wait a sec I went to Notts on my jack jones and that put me at a big disadvantage. So rather than say peeps were happy and no probs last time what do you think about next time?

Maybe dtd will make it clear next time that you have to show hole cards? Pretty sure Eric Seidel who hated show his cards, and still does, was made to show them to the camera.

They have made it clear you don't have to. So I wont. If I didn't would you? The thing about the WSOP and Erik Seidel is good because the nutshell is everyone is starry-eyed and aspiring to be like a pro in the world series and so they just go along with things they see on the telly. But when it starts filtering down to a national level and then a local level with Grosvenor etc picking up the trend the live game of poker changes for local players most of whom are not Erik Seidel at the WSOP. However, there are loads of hit squads or w/e who can get themselves more ready in the future to exploit this info to the max. That puts your regular part-time recreational player who's not so well supported at a big handicap when they were already an underdog. I know the WSOP do it and think it is shit also but I think regional venues need to think seriously about whether they really want to replicate it locally and dillute poker down to a less skill more information level. I don't think the accusations of cheating are right thou and think Alex should just enjoy his win.

[cambridgealex]

Some really good points have come from an otherwise ridiculous post. This is why I prefer blonde to all other forums tbh

fyp

[cambridgealex]

OP still a bellend imo

[WotRTheChances]

OP still a bellend imo

Was that you? If so... +1.

IMO given how everything was run, Alex did what anyone would do and try to get as much info as is available to everyone else, if that meant asking for live-feed info, so be it. Seems pretty clear not much if anything actually got passed on (and tbh, there wouldnt be a lot of info... it shouldnt pretty ldo from sitting at the table observing). I'm sure little bits of knowledge players didnt know got passed on to most/all players at the FT, but sounds like the TD did a good job of minimising the TV impact.

Personally wouldnt mind seeing a live-feed/slight-delayed-feed (possibly to stop the LIVE stream having JP Kelly saying 'this would be a terrible call' and having a rail screaming fold, coz the pro says so). If i were there I probably wouldnt be happy people seeing my plays (have any [ ]), but would think it would be good having a seperate archived commentry with hole-cards shown after the event.

[Woodsey]

Where the fuck did Frankie's post go and mine following it? 

[TightEnd]

the OTT post and any that quoted it were removed

Frankie was PMed


The OP was also OTT, but whereas it would ordinarily be deleted it turned into such a good debate that it was left for context

There's no need to turn to flaming to spoil that good debate at this stage

[GreekStein]

Sigh.

<3 frankie

[titaniumbean]

SIGH

<3 FRANKIE IS IT

FYP :)UP

[smashedagain]

these mods are getting too trigger happy with the delete button if yyou ask me....some of us think Frankie is a guru and want to hear what he has to say. so what if he said Alex is a Tosser, let us be the judge of what should and should not be removed. i will stand by frankie in the trenches and follow him over the top  all day long. OTT for the win

[gatso]

we want justice for frankie is it

[Geo the Sarge]

the OTT post and any that quoted it were removed

Frankie was PMed


The OP was also OTT, but whereas it would ordinarily be deleted it turned into such a good debate that it was left for context

There's no need to turn to flaming to spoil that good debate at this stage

So it's ok to start a thread by flaming but not for someone to reply in kind???

Just lol

Geo

[Jon MW]

the OTT post and any that quoted it were removed

Frankie was PMed


The OP was also OTT, but whereas it would ordinarily be deleted it turned into such a good debate that it was left for context

There's no need to turn to flaming to spoil that good debate at this stage

So it's ok to start a thread by flaming but not for someone to reply in kind???

Just lol

Geo

It says in the post you've quoted that the OP would ordinarily be deleted so, 'So it's ok to start a thread by flaming ...?'  - the answer would presumably be no.

[TightEnd]

the OTT post and any that quoted it were removed

Frankie was PMed


The OP was also OTT, but whereas it would ordinarily be deleted it turned into such a good debate that it was left for context

There's no need to turn to flaming to spoil that good debate at this stage

So it's ok to start a thread by flaming but not for someone to reply in kind???

Just lol

Geo

I've clarified why the OP was up in my post. Open those eyes and read well, thanks

[Geo the Sarge]

the OTT post and any that quoted it were removed

Frankie was PMed


The OP was also OTT, but whereas it would ordinarily be deleted it turned into such a good debate that it was left for context

There's no need to turn to flaming to spoil that good debate at this stage

So it's ok to start a thread by flaming but not for someone to reply in kind???

Just lol

Geo

It says in the post you've quoted that the OP would ordinarily be deleted so, 'So it's ok to start a thread by flaming ...?'  - the answer would presumably be no.

Why are you telling me what it says in the post? I can read well enough for myself.

If the answer is no, why was the opening post left up? Are we now saying Lord Tightness and his merry men now have psychic powers and know which way a thread is going to go, so therefore a flaming post which they can see will produce a good debate will be left?

Geo

[Geo the Sarge]

the OTT post and any that quoted it were removed

Frankie was PMed


The OP was also OTT, but whereas it would ordinarily be deleted it turned into such a good debate that it was left for context

There's no need to turn to flaming to spoil that good debate at this stage

So it's ok to start a thread by flaming but not for someone to reply in kind???

Just lol

Geo

I've clarified why the OP was up in my post. Open those eyes and read well, thanks

Read my reply and stop being a twat like your monkeys

Geo