Live feeds and hole cards: Ethics and considerations

[strak33]

9ballCP....

I hope you have at least  $137,943 in winnings on your hendon mob or frankly your opinions are not valid.

ha ha. you know who he is dave?......

I am guessing this is 1st place monte carlo money in $$$ basil

[smashedagain]

9ballCP....

I hope you have at least  $137,943 in winnings on your hendon mob or frankly your opinions are not valid.

ha ha. you know who he is dave?......

I am guessing this is 1st place monte carlo money in $$$ basil

no i'm afraid not....its my hendonmob earnings to the nearest $

[JK]

$126,337.07 IMHO would be a satisfactory amount

[paulpitchford]

IMO hole cards didn't ought to be streamed in live feeds. I think Olivier Busquet and Antonio Esfandiari (and JP from what I've heard) proved that with good knowledge of the game you can give good theory/commentary of the hand in play without being too results orientated (Hellmuth for example).

That said, if you have the opportunity to see some of it/hear it from your mates in the break, then you'd be a fool not to take advantage of it. I like probably most on here followed the majority of big names on twitter during the WSOP this year and on more than one occasion saw that Negreanu and JRB were 'rushing back to see the last 30 minutes of the live stream' to get more information on their opponents. I don't think for one minute that their fellow players were calling them a coward or a cheat.

GG OP'er Lol.

[dik9]

h, I will try and answer your points as best i can. Please bare in mind I am a TD and didn't have anything to do with the production. I am sure I could get the answers to the questions I cant answer when I return to work.

if this was a trial did dtd monitor hands per hour compared to none streamed tables ? Not sure whether it was monitored behind the scenes but there was 2 points where the game slowed down, on the initial day of streaming there was a 2 minute delay whilst I got the chipcounts from the table, and the other later on in the day when the production crew had told the dealer (without informing the TD) to count all the stacks after a table had broken, I believe when there was 24 players left. When the TD saw what was happening he paused the clock because it was noticeable that the other tables were racing ahead with hands played. The TD at the time was not best pleased a third party had affected the tournament without him knowing.
During normal play I didn't notice a difference in speed comparing it to a non streamed table.

other questions that spring to mind

1. How secure is the live data capture ? Extremely although it was fed live to a secure back room, the delay is because it wasn't uploaded to the internet until a specified time

2. Don't think its fair to assume some one satting in a while ago would be aware that delayed streaming would happen
from dtd website prior to this i think there was a mention that it might be televised ? But i  might be wrong
Not sure as I never witnessed any online sats, will ask although i know it was mentioned many times on DTD's facebook page. The live sats didn't get going until the week before so the information was available.
3. Was stream recorded is it going to be put up internet for future viewing ?
(I would like to watch it lol )
The German company used will be sending DTD a dvd of the whole stream that may be used to view at another time.
4 does DTD have viewing figures ? how many unique users watched it  and when more when ft airred ? and where from Nottingham and ?
Don't know will ask.
finally as for op think he should declare what his interest is ? Not sure but agree it is a good debate.

[smashedagain]

h, I will try and answer your points as best i can. Please bare in mind I am a TD and didn't have anything to do with the production. I am sure I could get the answers to the questions I cant answer when I return to work.

if this was a trial did dtd monitor hands per hour compared to none streamed tables ? Not sure whether it was monitored behind the scenes but there was 2 points where the game slowed down, on the initial day of streaming there was a 2 minute delay whilst I got the chipcounts from the table, and the other later on in the day when the production crew had told the dealer (without informing the TD) to count all the stacks after a table had broken, I believe when there was 24 players left. When the TD saw what was happening he paused the clock because it was noticeable that the other tables were racing ahead with hands played. The TD at the time was not best pleased a third party had affected the tournament without him knowing.
During normal play I didn't notice a difference in speed comparing it to a non streamed table.

other questions that spring to mind

1. How secure is the live data capture ? Extremely although it was fed live to a secure back room, the delay is because it wasn't uploaded to the internet until a specified time

2. Don't think its fair to assume some one satting in a while ago would be aware that delayed streaming would happen
from dtd website prior to this i think there was a mention that it might be televised ? But i  might be wrong
Not sure as I never witnessed any online sats, will ask although i know it was mentioned many times on DTD's facebook page. The live sats didn't get going until the week before so the information was available.
3. Was stream recorded is it going to be put up internet for future viewing ?
(I would like to watch it lol )
The German company used will be sending DTD a dvd of the whole stream that may be used to view at another time.
4 does DTD have viewing figures ? how many unique users watched it  and when more when ft airred ? and where from Nottingham and ?
Don't know will ask.
finally as for op think he should declare what his interest is ? Not sure but agree it is a good debate.

wtf Richard re post so i can read it

[Longy]

Loving the irony of calling someone a coward with an anon post on the internet.

[smashedagain]

Loving the irony of calling someone a coward with an anon post on the internet.

we have already established that the op played the event and was ........... Anon

[gatso]

Is the commentary done live and then delayed 1/2 hour or is it done as it's aired?

[Eck]

Is the commentary done live and then delayed 1/2 hour or is it done as it's aired?

From what I saw it was done about a minute before the pictures were broadcast.

[dik9]

Is the commentary done live and then delayed 1/2 hour or is it done as it's aired?

Commentary was done live as it happened

[gatso]

Is the commentary done live and then delayed 1/2 hour or is it done as it's aired?

Commentary was done live as it happened

This could be a worry then as people can see holecards live. what stops them passing on the info?

[ripple11]

So if you made the final table with no iphone etc / rail, you would have been at a disadvantage then

Doesn't seem right.

[dik9]

I give up lol

You couldn't use phone at table!

Don't know who commentated but the commentators were locked in the only room where the actual live feed was surrounded by the 3 man production crew!

[ripple11]

I give up lol

You couldn't use phone at table!

Don't know who commentated but the commentators were locked in the only room where the actual live feed was surrounded by the 3 man production crew!

of course not at the table.........but you could use them in a break and chat/analyse with friends ?