are angleshooters welcome in the game?

[FTPlederer]

dirty?

[Woodsey]

Already been a thread mate, we all agreed he was a wanker.........

[dik9]

Haven't seen the thread, but i posted this in the TDA forum

A few questions regarding this hand, video is poor quality
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDn76Rt_mGU

Story behind it .... Same guy pulled this one 3 times during the San Remo EPT, and pulled the same angle twice already in this comp (he went on to win it too).

1) Should a TD give information like this during a hand (what if he was using it as a bluff)
2) Was it right that no action was taken?
3) I feel really strongly about this, and my fellow TD's disagree, but I would have let the hand play out with a min raise, then  when he turned over the boat, (as it is quite a high profile televised comp) I would have D Q' d the chump and sent him home skint as a lesson to him and everyone else watching (is that a bit harsh knowing his previous lol).

[FTPlederer]

Already been a thread mate, we all agreed he was a wanker.........

ahhh if already been discussed/debated, mods feel free to delete thread

my bad

[JK]

Love your ruling Rich. Would laugh so hard at the angleshooting prick

[outragous76]

Unless you had warned him or had video evidence there is no way on this earth you would have the balls to disco' him from this tourney!

[Longy]

Might as well keep it up, as it was in Cos's thread and while it is hard to believe not everyone reads it, there is a small chance that is the case.

Oh yeah the guy is scum in vid imo.

[Boba Fett]

Can you really D-Q him?  Obv we all hate angleshooters but is there actually a rule in place for this type of incident?  

[dik9]

Unless you had warned him or had video evidence there is no way on this earth you would have the balls to disco' him from this tourney!

The same TD TK has seen this himself 5 times in 2 events,  I bet ya I would have the balls to Disco him
Whether I should or not is the question?

Rule number 1 gives the TD power to Disco him
1. Floor People
Floor people are to consider the best interest of the game and fairness as the top priority in the decision-making process. Unusual circumstances can on occasion dictate that decisions in the interest of fairness take priority over the technical rules. The floorperson’s decision is final.

[titaniumbean]

Unless you had warned him or had video evidence there is no way on this earth you would have the balls to disco' him from this tourney!

The same TD TK has seen this himself 5 times in 2 events,  I bet ya I would have the balls to Disco him
Whether I should or not is the question?

Rule number 1 gives the TD power to Disco him
1. Floor People
Floor people are to consider the best interest of the game and fairness as the top priority in the decision-making process. Unusual circumstances can on occasion dictate that decisions in the interest of fairness take priority over the technical rules. The floorperson’s decision is final.

Is this not a form of speech play Rich? In that he clearly states his action and merely bullshits trying to make himself seem weaker than he is knowing that he will be forced to raise?

Has he not followed the rules and is now being deceitful?

[dik9]

Unless you had warned him or had video evidence there is no way on this earth you would have the balls to disco' him from this tourney!

The same TD TK has seen this himself 5 times in 2 events,  I bet ya I would have the balls to Disco him
Whether I should or not is the question?

Rule number 1 gives the TD power to Disco him
1. Floor People
Floor people are to consider the best interest of the game and fairness as the top priority in the decision-making process. Unusual circumstances can on occasion dictate that decisions in the interest of fairness take priority over the technical rules. The floorperson’s decision is final.

Is this not a form of speech play Rich? In that he clearly states his action and merely bullshits trying to make himself seem weaker than he is knowing that he will be forced to raise?

Has he not followed the rules and is now being deceitful?

Speech play is the argument I was faced by other TD's, imo this is his 6th attempt to twist the rules to make himself appear weak knowing that a decision would favour him. How can rules favour an angle shooter? Look at the smug scumbags eyes smiling. His action is clearly detrimental to the game and it shouldn't be tolerated. Maybe once can be seen as an accident, twice is a little suspicious ....... 6 times in a high profile televised comp just lol. How often is he allowed to do this and what are the repercussions in cardrooms all over the world. TK should have made a bigger stand and made an example of him imo.

[kinboshi]

Surely the way TK dealt with the hand was spot on. I just feel that a penalty after the hand should have been implemented. Maybe a ten minute suspension or similar.

[NoflopsHomer]

As I said in the other thread, guy has form for doing this. He did it to Eames in Copenhagen and Erik Cajelais earlier in the Grand Final.

[Sheriff Fatman]

Isn't flat calling with the nuts also subject to a penalty (potentially soft play)?

Could the TD therefore enforce the rule, as TK just did, and then penalise the guy for trying to flat call with the nuts as his stated intention?

Thought TK handled it excellently by warning the opponent of his previous, but there should have been some form of penalty to follow.

Missed the previous discussion on this, so it's interesting to have seen it.

[Longy]

It is not technically the nuts though is it, kk and 66 are potentially ahead.

Would have been incred if the other guy had 66, which would have been possible the way the hand was played.