are angleshooters welcome in the game?

[gatso]

yes people should only post things that are directly to do with them on their diaries. tool.

that's better. aggro is much better with a public airing, everyone would've missed it if you'd called me a tool on your diary

xx

[GreekStein]

You wouldn't of though, seeing as 2 of the last 7 posts on there are yours.

[gatso]

obv. I'm one of your 8 readers

[SuuPRlim]

It is not technically the nuts though is it, kk and 66 are potentially ahead.

Would have been incred if the other guy had 66, which would have been possible the way the hand was played.

Im afraid to say longy, it would not have been possible.

[titaniumbean]

Trigg slowrolling his gossip - worse than angle-shooting.

goddam slowrollers.



Obv I am with y ou on this one Rich, imo the 'kick in the nuts' punishment should be brought into play here and executed over and over!

I just wasn't sure how I felt with TK being willing to explain that the guy was trying an angle when he at the same time wasn't confident enough/willing to go through with punishing him in whatever way he felt fit the deed.

if TK thinks that D.Q was too much then what other options under what other rules are there for him to punish the dousche with?

[dik9]

40. Penalties and Disqualification

A penalty MAY be invoked if a player exposes any card with action pending, throws a card off the table, violates the one-player-to-a-hand rule, or similar incidents take place. Penalties WILL be invoked in cases of soft play, abuse, or disruptive behavior. Penalties available to the TD include verbal warnings and “missed hand” penalties. Except for a one-hand penalty, missed hand penalties will be assessed as follows: The offender will miss one hand for every player, including the offender, who is at the table when the penalty is given multiplied by the number of rounds specified in the penalty. For the period of the penalty, the offender shall remain away from the table but will continue to be dealt in.
Tournament staff can assess a one-hand penalty, one-, two-, three-, or four-round penalties or disqualification. A player who is disqualified shall have his or her chips removed from play. Repeat infractions are subject to escalating penalties.

44. Etiquette Violations
Repeated etiquette violations will result in penalties. Examples include, but are not limited to, unnecessarily touching other players’ cards or chips, delay of the game, repeatedly acting out of turn or excessive chatter.

Rule 1 is the easiest to run with here, it is against the Spirit and fairness of the game and can be used in exceptional circumstances. But specific rules would a combination of 40 and 44, as if this isn't an etiquette issue I don't know what is.

I am gobsmacked that even a one round penalty was not enforced! It is no use a TD shaking his head thinking it was out of order, if you think it is out of order do something about it.

After the San Remo incidents he should not be allowed to play EPT's in fact I would be surprised  if he was allowed to play any competition again if the card rooms have seen this. As a player, would you like to play scum like this? It is down to TD's to protect the integrity of the game.

I wonder if he tipped well? lol

[Cf]

I'm not sure the offence was quite serious enough to warrant disqualification (such as collusion etc). I would at least implement a one round penalty though for a first offence. If a player was to do it again then I'd give a longer penalty and ban them from future tournaments.

[dik9]

I'm not sure the offence was quite serious enough to warrant disqualification (such as collusion etc). I would at least implement a one round penalty though for a first offence. If a player was to do it again then I'd give a longer penalty and ban them from future tournaments.

This is the sixth time in 2 tourneys run by the same TD and no penalties have been given.

FWIW Matt Savage tweeted yesterday that he would have disco'd him too.

[gatso]

I'm not sure the offence was quite serious enough to warrant disqualification (such as collusion etc). I would at least implement a one round penalty though for a first offence. If a player was to do it again then I'd give a longer penalty and ban them from future tournaments.

This is the sixth time in 2 tourneys run by the same TD and no penalties have been given.

FWIW Matt Savage tweeted yesterday that he would have disco'd him too.

yeah but that doesn't make it a dq offence. in fact it makes it the exact opposite, by allowing him to get away with it 5 times previously tk has made it very clear that it's completely acceptable

if he did it for a 6th time having been warned/penalised on each of the previous 5 then a dq would be ok but if that was the case then I doubt he would've done it 6 times

it's just poor from tk really

[Spraggs]

Would you guys class throwing out higher denom chips out purposefully (but pretending it was accidental) angle shooting?

i.e. value betting a river for pot for 1600, but throwing out 5600. and acting like a silly noob? happen much?

[Cf]

I'm not sure the offence was quite serious enough to warrant disqualification (such as collusion etc). I would at least implement a one round penalty though for a first offence. If a player was to do it again then I'd give a longer penalty and ban them from future tournaments.

This is the sixth time in 2 tourneys run by the same TD and no penalties have been given.

FWIW Matt Savage tweeted yesterday that he would have disco'd him too.

yeah but that doesn't make it a dq offence. in fact it makes it the exact opposite, by allowing him to get away with it 5 times previously tk has made it very clear that it's completely acceptable

if he did it for a 6th time having been warned/penalised on each of the previous 5 then a dq would be ok but if that was the case then I doubt he would've done it 6 times

it's just poor from tk really

Yeah i'm with gatso here. If all TK has ever done is stand there and shake his head I can't see how it should be a in this instance. If he's been given multiple warnings and told if he does it again he'd be DQd then that's a different story.

There's some things I'd for a first offence. This isn't one of them.

[dik9]

Would you guys class throwing out higher denom chips out purposefully (but pretending it was accidental) angle shooting?

i.e. value betting a river for pot for 1600, but throwing out 5600. and acting like a silly noob? happen much?

If I was TD'ing and had been called to the table 3 times in a comp and you had a very strong hand .... Yup

CF this isn't a first offence he should have had a penalty the 2nd time he did it. ( possibly a penalty from the first time he did it in Madrid, considering he did it 3 times at San Remo)

Do you think this is not a stroke?

[Cf]

Would you guys class throwing out higher denom chips out purposefully (but pretending it was accidental) angle shooting?

i.e. value betting a river for pot for 1600, but throwing out 5600. and acting like a silly noob? happen much?

If I was TD'ing and had been called to the table 3 times in a comp and you had a very strong hand .... Yup

CF this isn't a first offence he should have had a penalty the 2nd time he did it.

Do you think this is not a stroke?

No, but I mean in this instance if he hasn't had any prior penalties for it then to is too harsh. Obviously there should have been prior penalties but I don't think there was? This is a failing on TKs part if so.

And yes, the second one is a stroke too and should be dealt with in a similar manner.

[outragous76]

unless your areguement is going to stand up in court you arent going to do it - as thats where it would end up for this kind of money

[StuartHopkin]

unless your areguement is going to stand up in court you arent going to do it - as thats where it would end up for this kind of money

How?