TT in the sb vs button 200bbs deep in a straddled pot, £1/£2 cash @ DTD

[stato_1]

Background:

Playing 5 handed in a tough £1/£2 deep cash game at DTD. Line up is:

CO: Simon Deadman (~£600)
Btn: Neil "jakally" Giblin (~£1500)
SB: Me (£835)
BB: Mitch "Mitch" Johnson (~£2500)
Straddle - lol what a balla these days: Alex "Cambridge Alex" Goulder (~£800)

Neil opens the button to £15

I find  in the small blind and 3bet to £55

Mitch calls

Neil 4bets to £185

Hero

Reads: I perceive Neil to be a terrible very good reg who is more than capable of bluffing in this spot. In general he is probably in the tighter half of this table (along with me), but is not a nit by any means, also he has appeared to noticeably be more keen to go to war preflop tonight than when I have played with him previously (perhaps because there is an absence of weaker spots in the game), and has already 5bet Alex's UTG 4bet and shown and 4bet Mitch and snap folded to a shove. I have also already 3bet and 4bet him on a few occasions in this game but not yet shown down any hands in these spots.

Mitch is also a very good terrible reg, but in this spot he will definitely be peeling wider than most, and it's 100% not the case that he always has a strong hand here, I'm pretty sure he would be 4betting all of his monsters here. Neil also knows this.

Im interested in discussing firstly the sizing of the initial 3bet (anyone think just call?) which is probably a little on the small side, and how people would rank the following options now:
a) Fold (If so what do you do with JJ)
b) Call
c) 400 -> Call
d) Jam (I guess this is pretty much the same as c)

Also please dont waste both my and your time by posting something along the lines of "unreg pre". I do know this is not a good game. It had been a better game earlier in the night and i stayed because i was enjoying it, pure and simple.

[SuuPRlim]

Sorry to tangent off here but I think this is a pretty bad spot to 3bet unless we have some reason to expect someone to spazz off or the dynamic of the game is such that its a fistpump 5ball get in.

Problem with 3betting here, TT or anything is that no1 ever folds to 3bets really so we either get 4 bet or have toplay a deep, arkward pot OOP vs capable thinkers. My adjustment for balance sake would be to 3bet zero%  hands from the SB in this line up. You get 3bet QQ+ and AK and then balance by throwing a ton of light 3bets in, the light 3bets will prolly be -EV in a vacuum and you'l polarize you're 3bets and make you really easy to 4bet.

SO yh would just peel pre. Now Im either folding or jamming depending on several things that you'll know and I dont

[SuuPRlim]

I am a nit though.

[George2Loose]

Why do you guys play against each other? Seems pretty ridic

With lildave. Call pre. Fold know. Feels dirty tho

[mondatoo]

There's no way I could resist sticking it in his eye here.

Should definitely just peel this deep though.

PS: Have a plan obv.

[cambridgealex]

Nice level george. if not a level, read op ffs

[George2Loose]

Nice level george. if not a level, read op ffs

Where am I levelling exactly?

[cambridgealex]

You always seem to pick on the points ppl say they don't want discussing. In this case, he says why he was playing in the game, cos of the fish that were there earlier. And now they've gone, he was just playing cos it was a good laugh.

[George2Loose]

You always seem to pick on the points ppl say they don't want discussing. In this case, he says why he was playing in the game, cos of the fish that were there earlier. And now they've gone, he was just playing cos it was a good laugh.

I also commentated on the hand

Have also spoke to Andy since and agreed that I'm a hypocrite. I'd probably love to play in a game like this even though I'd get eaten alive

Amazing how one big score can change a person's tone in posts.

[mondatoo]

Why does it matter if George asks about it itt, I'd find it pretty interesting to find out why each of you where sitting in the game, if I played poker for fun and to have a laugh I'd love playing this deep, having fun and messing around, doing it for a living and seeing there's no value at the table I would've snap left.

[stato_1]

There's no way I could resist sticking it in his eye here.

Should definitely just peel this deep though.

PS: Have a plan obv.

I think thats the thing, I did have a plan. The way the game was playing I was planning to induce a 4bet and get it in, which isn't something id usually do against Neil here, but felt with game flow that was ok. The reason I questioned my sizing in OP is because i think if I'm wanting to do this I should be going bigger... like 62-65 as otherwise SPR isnt really great to 3b/5b. After Mitch flatted I'm actually pretty happy jamming here over this 4bet. I think with this specific effective stack i agree flatting pre is better and maybe if I had like 650 I should be happier getting this in.

[cambridgealex]

Have asked Tighty to close my account, moving to Auburn Poker.com. Its a poker forum for ballas.

[smashedagain]

You always seem to pick on the points ppl say they don't want discussing. In this case, he says why he was playing in the game, cos of the fish that were there earlier. And now they've gone, he was just playing cos it was a good laugh.

I also commentated on the hand

Have also spoke to Andy since and agreed that I'm a hypocrite. I'd probably love to play in a game like this even though I'd get eaten alive

Amazing how one big score can change a person's tone in posts.

haters gonna hate.  

http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/player.php?a=r&n=186500
thats 2 big scores  

how long did the book help for?  

yes i am  

and happy anniversary George both amazing people.
 

[cambridgealex]

So mond you wouldve snap left and gone home? If the choice is between playing in a 0ev game as fun and interesting as this and going home and bashing one out, there's no contest...

Now, that's assuming its a 0ev game...

[George2Loose]

So mond you wouldve snap left and gone home? If the choice is between playing in a 0ev game as fun and interesting as this and going home and bashing one out, there's no contest...

Now, that's assuming its a 0ev game...

If you want to make it as a professional bashing one off might be less spewy and less expensive then playing in this line up