Boring rule thread

[doubleup]

cos' example is perfect - if he has the nut low here why cant he fold  the turn

like when its checks to showdown and he is forced to reveal his hand as he was called OTF

he has no desire to show 23o as a 3 bet pre/ c bet hand so he folded?

daft to penailse this

He is giving an advantage to the middle player that wouldn't have existed otherwise. He has effectively mucked out of turn on the river.

 but it his his right to do so, in order that he doesnt show his hand, just like he can muck on the river rather than check

It isn't his right to do what he wants in the middle of a multiway hand. 

[Cf]

cos' example is perfect - if he has the nut low here why cant he fold  the turn

like when its checks to showdown and he is forced to reveal his hand as he was called OTF

he has no desire to show 23o as a 3 bet pre/ c bet hand so he folded?

daft to penailse this

He is giving an advantage to the middle player that wouldn't have existed otherwise. He has effectively mucked out of turn on the river.

 but it his his right to do so, in order that he doesnt show his hand, just like he can muck on the river rather than check

Not quite. Players have a right to request to see a hand at showdown. Granted, 99% of people won't invoke this right as it's pretty poor etiquette to do so. In this case Cos has made bets and has been called. If there's no more betting then that hand should get to showdown.

But as I say anyway... why's he that bothered by showing? In fact he's doing more damage to his image by folding here. On the river you might fold to a bet or just say "yeah, you're good" or something.

[outragous76]

making rules for rules sake IMO

there are enough improvements that could be made to existing rules rather than inventing new ones for no reason!

[Cf]

In Cos's example, isnt it a good idea to fold in turn on the turn so that the river is HU between the other 2, increasing their chances of getting stacks in without having to worry about a 3rd player?

To give a similar example, 1 limper(lol) on the bubble of a tourney, sb completes, BB checks.  flop completely misses SB.  If he is unwilling to make any attempt at the pot, isnt he better off folding so the other players can bet more aggressively and maybe bust?

And onto this one...

I don't like this. It's basically the same thing as Cos turning around to one of them saying "Go ahead and put him all in. I'm not going to call you" and then not doing so. If someone did that to you in a hand you'd be getting the TD over.

Obviously this sort of thing goes on. Checking hands down for instance. It's considered strategy but you'd never verbally say to your opponent "let's check this down" as again, the TD is getting called over.

[doubleup]

making rules for rules sake IMO

there are enough improvements that could be made to existing rules rather than inventing new ones for no reason!

It is hardly a new rule, it has always been poor etiquette to do anything that disrupts the dynamics in a multiway pot.

[outragous76]

making rules for rules sake IMO

there are enough improvements that could be made to existing rules rather than inventing new ones for no reason!

It is hardly a new rule, it has always been poor etiquette to do anything that disrupts the dynamics in a multiway pot.

name another example where poor etiquette is punished with a penalty

there is an incredible amount of poor etiquette at the poker tables

[dik9]

Complete new rules btw http://ukpokerassociation.com/rules/latest-tda-rules-2011/ bold are the new ones.

[gatso]

it really depends on how people interpret this rule. obv there are some situations where it's bad form but if a td was to penalise a player for open folding the flop when first to act in a family pot then it'd be ridic. hopefully common sense will win the day

[outragous76]

it really depends on how people interpret this rule. obv there are some situations where it's bad form but if a td was to penalise a player for open folding the flop when first to act in a family pot then it'd be ridic. hopefully common sense will win the day

oh noes! disaster right there!

Rule 1 of "rule making club", leave nothing to interpretation unless you have to

[Longines]

9: Number of Players at Final Table
In flop games, the final table will consist of 10 players. In six-handed games, the final table
will consist of 7 players.

Not really six-handed then is it? Any particular reason that was specifcally added?

[doubleup]

making rules for rules sake IMO

there are enough improvements that could be made to existing rules rather than inventing new ones for no reason!

It is hardly a new rule, it has always been poor etiquette to do anything that disrupts the dynamics in a multiway pot.

name another example where poor etiquette is punished with a penalty

there is an incredible amount of poor etiquette at the poker tables

When players are so ignorant that they don't see that their poor behaviour is potentially affecting the result of a tournament it is right to upgrade from bad etiquette to a rule.

[Cf]

Complete new rules btw http://ukpokerassociation.com/rules/latest-tda-rules-2011/ bold are the new ones.

lol, I was just reading them. I like the following:

15: Asking to See a Hand
 Except where house policy provides an express right to see a hand, asking to see a hand is
 a privilege granted at TD’s discretion to protect the integrity of the game (suspicion of invalid
 hand, collusion, etc). This privilege is not to be abused.

So they're basically saying you can no longer request to see a hand at showdown unless collusion is suspected.

And am I right in thinking rule 14 allows pots to be won with no cards shown? Eg, Player A bluffs the river. Player B calls. Player A mucks. Player B mucks and gets pot.

[Cf]

9: Number of Players at Final Table
In flop games, the final table will consist of 10 players. In six-handed games, the final table
will consist of 7 players.

Not really six-handed then is it? Any particular reason that was specifcally added?

To stop one table playing 3 handed before the final.

[dik9]

So they're basically saying you can no longer request to see a hand at showdown unless collusion is suspected.

And am I right in thinking rule 14 allows pots to be won with no cards shown? Eg, Player A bluffs the river. Player B calls. Player A mucks. Player B mucks and gets pot.

If out of order yes,

and yes to your last question.

[dik9]

9: Number of Players at Final Table
In flop games, the final table will consist of 10 players. In six-handed games, the final table
will consist of 7 players.

Not really six-handed then is it? Any particular reason that was specifcally added?

6 max tourneys always have a 7 handed final, as a dealer should stop dealing when 3 handed in a 6 max unless at final table. Same as 8 handed tourneys have a nine handed final because the dealers shouldnt deal to just 4 players.