Tottenham riots

[NoflopsHomer]

Political correctness partially to be blame for the riots? lol wtf.

This is actually what I think you are getting at: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/no-shame-no-limits-has-the-behaviour-of-the-mob-destroyed-the-idea-of-british-civility-for-ever-2334863.html

[Woodsey]

Political correctness partially to be blame for the riots? lol wtf.

This is actually what I think you are getting at: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/no-shame-no-limits-has-the-behaviour-of-the-mob-destroyed-the-idea-of-british-civility-for-ever-2334863.html

Well more that it has influenced the fact that the police have been so soft tbh. But I think a lot of kids probably push the boundaries more today as a result of the softness in society that PC generates.

[boldie]

Political correctness partially to be blame for the riots? lol wtf.

This is actually what I think you are getting at: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/no-shame-no-limits-has-the-behaviour-of-the-mob-destroyed-the-idea-of-british-civility-for-ever-2334863.html

Well more that it has influenced the fact that the police have been so soft tbh. But I think a lot of kids probably push the boundaries more today as a result of the softness in society that PC generates.

Watch the Stewart Lee thing again. You're like his gran, confusing H&S rules with PC.

[Woodsey]

Political correctness partially to be blame for the riots? lol wtf.

This is actually what I think you are getting at: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/no-shame-no-limits-has-the-behaviour-of-the-mob-destroyed-the-idea-of-british-civility-for-ever-2334863.html

Well more that it has influenced the fact that the police have been so soft tbh. But I think a lot of kids probably push the boundaries more today as a result of the softness in society that PC generates.

Watch the Stewart Lee thing again. You're like his gran, confusing H&S rules with PC.

No, because one directly influences the other.

[easypickings]

It's politics, he doesn't want to make a decision and then have Labour putting photos of troops on the streets on their election leaflets for the next 10 years.

Also saw this video from Brum:



I do wonder about the people they found to interview though...

The people being interviewed in this are an abso joke. Blatantly either all in the same politics or film class at Uni. Clearly they don't have a job to go to. Laughable how he is implying police are using unnecessary force there.

Absolute rofl at the student twits in this video having sympathy with the rioters and assuming some kind of political motivation to people who can't even spell policits. They were even kind enough to block out the faces of the people being arrested by police from the looted store. It is both insanely tilting, but also hilarious, how the one clown tries to help them at about 8:05 by shouting pointless legal advice at them, "don't say anything until you get a solicitor." Definitely the most tilting moment of the riots so far for me

Com if intentional, or if not,  

intentional ovbiously

[DungBeetle]

Political correctness partially to be blame for the riots? lol wtf.

This is actually what I think you are getting at: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/no-shame-no-limits-has-the-behaviour-of-the-mob-destroyed-the-idea-of-british-civility-for-ever-2334863.html

Well more that it has influenced the fact that the police have been so soft tbh. But I think a lot of kids probably push the boundaries more today as a result of the softness in society that PC generates.

Absolutely

[NoflopsHomer]

PC has nothing to do with softness, it's about being respectful of other people and it has it's problems, it can be kind of clumsy. But given the fact that it's helped get rid of a lot of racism, sexism and homophobia in the last 20 years, you can hardly blame it for the riots.

Also, you didn't see the police acting so soft when the students were protesting did you? They horse and baton charged at them, so your point is invalid. They are simply dealing with numbers vastly beyond their control, it's nothing to do with softness which in turn has nothing to do with political correctness.

[Woodsey]

PC has nothing to do with softness, it's about being respectful of other people and it has it's problems, it can be kind of clumsy. But given the fact that it's helped get rid of a lot of racism, sexism and homophobia in the last 20 years, you can hardly blame it for the riots.

Also, you didn't see the police acting so soft when the students were protesting did you? They horse and baton charged at them, so your point is invalid. They are simply dealing with numbers vastly beyond their control, it's nothing to do with softness which in turn has nothing to do with political correctness.

Disagree, but cba arguing as there is simply no point, we aren't going to change each others views. As for the rest its all about balance and my line of unacceptability is obviously further along than yours, and once again I ain't arguing for the same reason as above.

[Acidmouse]

I think the police done pretty well all being considered. I would like to see the fukers sniped but hey ho.

[boldie]

lol @ the dailymail

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2024348/LONDON-RIOTS-2011-Metropolitan-Polices-Paul-Stephenson-crippled-liberalism.html

Political lust for media blood 'left the Met Police rudderless and crippled by liberalism' is the title of the link.

Erm, wasn't it the Daily Mail that was hammering the NOTW thing a few weeks ago?

[Woodsey]

lol @ the dailymail

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2024348/LONDON-RIOTS-2011-Metropolitan-Polices-Paul-Stephenson-crippled-liberalism.html

Political lust for media blood 'left the Met Police rudderless and crippled by liberalism' is the title of the link.

Erm, wasn't it the Daily Mail that was hammering the NOTW thing a few weeks ago?

Dunno why your lol'ing, a good chunk of the country agree with him. With respect, just because its your viewpoint don't automatically assume your right  

[Bongo]

Erm, wasn't it the Daily Mail that was hammering the NOTW thing a few weeks ago?

They're guilty too and would rather the attention went elsewhere before it comes out.

[easypickings]

I wish they would stop saying that these kids have no opportunities at all.

Many (not all) of them do have opportunities; they just choose not to take them. However, they weren't born lazy or criminal. The main reason they choose not to take their opportunties is not political or economic, but becuase of the soical climate they are in. For the young kids, the best thing they could do to impresss their peers is to come back to school with a good story of the riot. The worst thing they could possibly do is to work hard, and try to give themselves a chance in life. It would lead to social ostrasication at best, horrible bullying at worst.The music they listen to never encourages a gangster lifestyle, but it implicitly galmourises it. There is a distinct lack of the few figures they would look up to publically criticising the riots, something that could actually make some difference.

[Acidmouse]

I wish they would stop saying that these kids have no opportunities at all.

Many (not all) of them do have opportunities; they just choose not to take them. However, they weren't born lazy or criminal. The main reason they choose not to take their opportunties is not political or economic, but becuase of the soical climate they are in. For the young kids, the best thing they could do to impresss their peers is to come back to school with a good story of the riot. The worst thing they could possibly do is to work hard, and try to give themselves a chance in life. It would lead to social ostrasication at best, horrible bullying at worst.The music they listen to never encourages a gangster lifestyle, but it implicitly galmourises it. There is a distinct lack of the few figures they would look up to publically criticising the riots, something that could actually make some difference.

Very true. I had fukall growing up (in little London Leeds lol, people in Leeds will know this area well), late 70's early 80s was much more depressing then and certainly nowt to do, no funding into local yooooth projects we just did our own thing. In Leeds there are certainly more deprived areas than chapletown and Harehills yet there is never any of this bullshit trouble. I am sorry to say its defo certain racial makeups that seem to always use X Y Z excuse to kickoff.

[DaveShoelace]

I wish they would stop saying that these kids have no opportunities at all.

Many (not all) of them do have opportunities; they just choose not to take them. However, they weren't born lazy or criminal. The main reason they choose not to take their opportunties is not political or economic, but becuase of the soical climate they are in. For the young kids, the best thing they could do to impresss their peers is to come back to school with a good story of the riot. The worst thing they could possibly do is to work hard, and try to give themselves a chance in life. It would lead to social ostrasication at best, horrible bullying at worst.The music they listen to never encourages a gangster lifestyle, but it implicitly galmourises it. There is a distinct lack of the few figures they would look up to publically criticising the riots, something that could actually make some difference.

It amazes me that Stu is a pro poker player when I see posts as intelligent and conscientiousness as this.

FYI I don't completely buy the lack of opportunity argument at all. We currently live in the greatest time ever to live, the stuff you can do on a mobile phone or laptop now is awe inspiring. Kids these days have shit loads more prospects and opportunities than every generation before them.