Fold correct ja? ssmtt $5k guarantee Pstars

[Pinchop73]

lol yeah, that was this hand...

***** Hand History for Game 65776832679 ***** (Poker Stars)
Tourney Hand NL Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, August 09, 04:49:14 ET 2011
Table 423795661 230 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Seat 1: Voin5599000 ( $526.00 USD )
Seat 2: crusst ( $3665.00 USD )
Seat 3: intoxicadoes ( $1665.00 USD )
Seat 4: blacck2929 ( $3726.00 USD )
Seat 5: spasejamm ( $3000.00 USD )
Seat 6: burelagt ( $3000.00 USD )
Seat 7: Ultraballs18 ( $3130.00 USD )
Seat 8: ZZZOTTT ( $4570.00 USD )
Seat 9: losenok666 ( $7223.00 USD )
blacck2929 posts small blind [$25.00 USD].
spasejamm posts big blind [$50.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Ultraballs18 [  ]
burelagt folds
Ultraballs18 raises [$150.00 USD]
ZZZOTTT folds
losenok666 folds
Voin5599000 folds
crusst calls [$150.00 USD]
intoxicadoes folds
blacck2929 calls [$125.00 USD]
spasejamm folds
** Dealing Flop ** [ , As, ]
blacck2929 checks
Ultraballs18 bets [$350.00 USD]
crusst calls [$350.00 USD]
blacck2929 calls [$350.00 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ ]
blacck2929 checks
Ultraballs18 bets [$850.00 USD]
crusst folds
blacck2929 raises [$1700.00 USD]
Ultraballs18 raises [$1780.00 USD]
blacck2929 calls [$930.00 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ ]
blacck2929 shows [, ]
Ultraballs18 shows [, ]
blacck2929 wins $3405.00 USD from main pot
Ultraballs18 wins $3405.00 USD from main pot

[Eso Kral]

Hero said, "called the flop with k8? you numskull"

rofl.

Best in the RUBDOWN Business!!!

[Nit Tendencies]

Ok a few things about this hand.

1. Why have you 3.5x opened? Is this your standard opening size? I wouldn't recommend  anything bigger than 3x with these effective stacks, they are too shallow you're going to make the pot to stack ratio too small post flop with this sizing which limits your maneuverability and may possibly thin calling ranges pre (admittedly probably not in a $3 mtt but it's a good habit to get into for the future).

2. I don't mind 4bet getting it in ~50 bb effective with antes, we win the pot enough and get value from peels at this level too, and ofcourse we do ok against his get it in range too factoring in random spazzes. BUT why is your sizing so small? I think around 2000 has a significantly higher win pre flop % and since we're probably ahead of his range, maximizes value. In this tournament you could even make it 2000-2600 profitably since they call so much. Also this sizing makes our post flop play pretty simple since he's now going to have 3/4 pot back if he peels and we can just jam any flop.

3. I like your flop bet sizing because it allows most of his pre flop peeling range to call or raise, but I'm not planning to fold on any turn since the guy now has ~3/4 pot back.

As played I think I would pretty much always check call this turn just to allow any random semi bluffs/underrep our hand and either convince him that he has the best hand or that we are giving up.

*Sorry if this post is jumbled, posting off my phone again and it's a bitch to edit properly*

[Amatay]

You forgot to hide your name on the river.

We now know your name is ultraballs18

Oh..... and 50p.

looooooooool

[Pinchop73]

Ok a few things about this hand.

1. Why have you 3.5x opened? Is this your standard opening size? I wouldn't recommend  anything bigger than 3x with these effective stacks, they are too shallow you're going to make the pot to stack ratio too small post flop with this sizing which limits your maneuverability and may possibly thin calling ranges pre (admittedly probably not in a $3 mtt but it's a good habit to get into for the future).

2. I don't mind 4bet getting it in ~50 bb effective with antes, we win the pot enough and get value from peels at this level too, and ofcourse we do ok against his get it in range too factoring in random spazzes. BUT why is your sizing so small? I think around 2000 has a significantly higher win pre flop % and since we're probably ahead of his range, maximizes value. In this tournament you could even make it 2000-2600 profitably since they call so much. Also this sizing makes our post flop play pretty simple since he's now going to have 3/4 pot back if he peels and we can just jam any flop.

3. I like your flop bet sizing because it allows most of his pre flop peeling range to call or raise, but I'm not planning to fold on any turn since the guy now has ~3/4 pot back.

As played I think I would pretty much always check call this turn just to allow any random semi bluffs/underrep our hand and either convince him that he has the best hand or that we are giving up.

*Sorry if this post is jumbled, posting off my phone again and it's a bitch to edit properly*

Hey, cheers for the reply.

The villain in this hand had been playing pretty tight, so when he 3bet me I felt he had an awfully strong range, so I wanted to try and get it all in pre (as I'm still in front of most of it).
So my small 4bet was to try and induce a 5bet shove. I felt strongly that he would never flat AA/KK with such a great opportunity to get it all in, but you never know. I also know that he's far less likely to have KK/AA here as I have blockers.
So I pretty much have his range at TT+/AK. (do you feel this is far too narrow a range for a 3b/c in a ssmtt? This early on a tag wouldn't flat 99 surely?)

I decided to check the flop. His bet size (like 1/3psb) screams to me of a very strong hand that doesn't wish to lose its customer or is to try and induce. So I flat feeling that he either has the same hand as me, or has hit a set, I'm not sure he'd bet this amount with KK/AA.

So to me when the T hits the turn and he shoves, I felt he was ultra strong, he knew I'd have to call as he knew I had decent holdings having flatted the turn.

Then again if he knows that I'm highly likely to be on AK or a lesser full house, he could have checked behind to let me fire on the river?

Yet if I'd taken your line, I wouldn't need to even think about any of this eh? I need to improve my pre flop play...

What are people's opinions, am I overthinking for ssmtt's?

[SuuPRlim]

the thing to remember about spots like this is that calling, given the size of the pot is unlikely to ever be a mistake.

Folding on the other hand has the potential to be such a MASSIVE mistake that ever folding would be a terrible play.

Need to get out of the "hero fold" mentality where we wanna make sick reads every hand and just go with the numbers.

[Pinchop73]

I really wish I'd have asked myself a simple question before I flatted the flop bet.

'Is he likely to fold if I just shove here?'