Grand Prix Overlay now projected at €119,500 !!

[DTD-ACES]

Here are the results for Mondays live and online flights.

Club produced 12 and online 14.

This gives us a total of 154 and a projected total of 275.

The overlay has decreased to €112,500

Some points to consider...

Based on 275 players first prize will be approx €60,000, to put this in perspective this is equivalent to a 1200 - 1 return ! Even if you have 3 entries it will be 400 - 1. If you play a £1000 comp with 150 players you will get a return of 50 -1, even our £300 Deepstack is " only " 100 -1 .

Some players have been saying they only want to have 1 or 2 entries as min cash is €75, our payout structure ladders from 1.5 increasing in 0.5 increments to 19th then top 18 get %ages, by the time 10 - 15% of the fiield are out min payout will already be €125.

Had we hit the guarantee, you would have had to beaten 499 players to get a huge return, now it will be far less and the payout increments will increase quicker.

And finally, one player wriote to me asking if he didn't turn up for Day 2 where would he finish. As we are using our Deeptack structure 15,000 chips 45 min clock i know we have 17% of the field after 12 levels, i have calculated a dead stack would blind away by level 10 when approx 70% of the field will be out, even with 500 players i would expect 150th to pay €350. I would prefer not to have too many dead stacks but if you genuinely can't make it, it is still worth investing €120 for a guaranteed return, those that can get here, even if you are travelling 200 miles it is worth it for a shot at €60,000 and the ones that come will have less players to beat.

Please, if you agree with the points above spread the word and help me reduce the guarantee to a respectable €50,000.

Cheers

ACES

[s4ooter]

Simon:
If you have 250 runners (as an eg)
Will nim cash remain at €75....or as its half the feild missing, would it be right to assume that all payouts would just double....ie min cash = 150€ and so on.......

Anyways my views on the event

I'm kinda torn here tbh

I only took 2 attempts and qualified for an €120 outlay so obv chuffed at that

Would i have even bothered playing Day 1s if they were all rebuys? Prob not as my roll doesn't allow me to flutter this sort of money away HOWEVER big the guarantee

Adding all these extra day 1s is understandable, but i suppose i am a little perturbed as i bought in on the 2nd day of qualifiers as i knew what i was entering. However i thought from the get-go that it would struggle to get to its guarantee and i was right, kinda why i entered tbh.

Now, sat in Day 2 (altho bloody online and live accounts are knackered so I'm not listed ....oops) i am found that the overlay i predicted (and as a greedy person, entered for) could very well not be there....so i suppose i can be a little miffed.

I dont want DTD to take a hit, as it does provide things that we dont have else where HOWEVER adding all of these extra days in desperation is kinda frustration for those that qualified early to the original format.
When I'm in DTD this weekend, if i bluff allin and get looked up can i actually say "well Ive changed my mind as its costing me money? ill take my chips back on fold instead!"....Obv not, but its kinda what they are doing.

By Guaranteeing a PrizePool, and setting out a format for the tournament, sadly you have to "live by the sword, die by the sword" No? I WOULD like to see, however, if the numbers are 250 or less for them to give something back to the players that have supported the event and maybe increase starting stack, or blind levels....i mean they have changed the goalposts for their benefit, so surely then they can change them for OUR benefit too.

All that said, i think Fezio sums it up...the reasons the #'s are down is that people aren't willing to keep re-entering, and have given up - adding extra day 1s isn't gonna increase the day 2 runners by a lot as people aren't gonna stump more €€€ up.  Think this can be seen with the on line flights getting 20-30 runners....only gonna add ~30ish players

I like the "funky" format, especially the money bubble dynamic kickin in so early on in Day 2,  but think they must have forcast a large %% of recreational players being in the 5000 runners, whereas the €60 buyin only allows them to have 1...2....maybe 3 attempts with all the other events going on.......I know a few people choosing Goliath over this, as they are guaranteed to be in the running, so to speak, for £120 instead of ploughing through the Qualification.

Good idea with a diff format, but it has back fired......Pick yourselves up, Dust yourselves down and think of a new way forward

[DTD-ACES]

Simon:
If you have 250 runners (as an eg)
Will nim cash remain at €75....or as its half the feild missing, would it be right to assume that all payouts would just double....ie min cash = 150€ and so on.......

Anyways my views on the event

I'm kinda torn here tbh

I only took 2 attempts and qualified for an €120 outlay so obv chuffed at that

Would i have even bothered playing Day 1s if they were all rebuys? Prob not as my roll doesn't allow me to flutter this sort of money away HOWEVER big the guarantee

Adding all these extra day 1s is understandable, but i suppose i am a little perturbed as i bought in on the 2nd day of qualifiers as i knew what i was entering. However i thought from the get-go that it would struggle to get to its guarantee and i was right, kinda why i entered tbh.

Now, sat in Day 2 (altho bloody online and live accounts are knackered so I'm not listed ....oops) i am found that the overlay i predicted (and as a greedy person, entered for) could very well not be there....so i suppose i can be a little miffed.

I dont want DTD to take a hit, as it does provide things that we dont have else where HOWEVER adding all of these extra days in desperation is kinda frustration for those that qualified early to the original format.
When I'm in DTD this weekend, if i bluff allin and get looked up can i actually say "well Ive changed my mind as its costing me money? ill take my chips back on fold instead!"....Obv not, but its kinda what they are doing.

By Guaranteeing a PrizePool, and setting out a format for the tournament, sadly you have to "live by the sword, die by the sword" No? I WOULD like to see, however, if the numbers are 250 or less for them to give something back to the players that have supported the event and maybe increase starting stack, or blind levels....i mean they have changed the goalposts for their benefit, so surely then they can change them for OUR benefit too.

All that said, i think Fezio sums it up...the reasons the #'s are down is that people aren't willing to keep re-entering, and have given up - adding extra day 1s isn't gonna increase the day 2 runners by a lot as people aren't gonna stump more €€€ up.  Think this can be seen with the on line flights getting 20-30 runners....only gonna add ~30ish players

I like the "funky" format, especially the money bubble dynamic kickin in so early on in Day 2,  but think they must have forcast a large %% of recreational players being in the 5000 runners, whereas the €60 buyin only allows them to have 1...2....maybe 3 attempts with all the other events going on.......I know a few people choosing Goliath over this, as they are guaranteed to be in the running, so to speak, for £120 instead of ploughing through the Qualification.

Good idea with a diff format, but it has back fired......Pick yourselves up, Dust yourselves down and think of a new way forward

Interesting post, you entered because you are greedy, you don't want us to take a hit and you agree that adding extra day 1's isn't going to increase the day 2 runners, so your point is ?

By the way, we knew adding online Day 1's wouldn't change how many play and would in fact decrease liquidity in the club which is further detrimental to our revenue but it was clear from the first week that this was extremely popular with the travelling player so we extended to provide the choice.

Thanks for your comments.

ACES

[dik9]

Regarding the "goal posts changing", the Guarantee is still €250,000. the format is still exactly the same, regardless of how many day 1s or re-entry. From the start people were allowed to re-enter (albeit) in a different flight. If people had bullets they would be limited, whether that is 6 bullets in one comp or 6 bullets for different days regardless of how many days it was spread over (online or live). You say you entered because you saw an overlay and wonder if that is still the case??? Trust me there will be a huge overlay, these figures are crazy for a £53 comp!

[s4ooter]

Does that stand for "welcome to the forum"?!

Think my 3hrs sleep aided to me not conveying the message I wanted.

Basically. The tourney was set. Dont be changing it.
Or is my opinion not allowed?!

[s4ooter]

Obv I wanna make € but as I said I am worried the club could suffer, maybe an
Over adventurous guarantee and of course i don't want to see them suffer.

I 100% see WHY they have extra day ones, and are trying everything to reduce overlay but the play in a single day 1 DOES change if it's a f/o or rebuy.
I'm glad I got in early as rebuy day 1s are less appealing, to me as a player.

My concern for DTD is that the player pool is pretty dry, which can be seen with the day 1s gettin 20/30 runners, so dunno where these players that have requested extra days.

Let's hope for a good weekend.
Simon, if my post read awful I apologise.

Intrigued on payout structure still.

[scotty77]

Hi Simon,

Are there any plans to offer morning/afternoon flights of the blind all in tournie that was suggested earlier.

I'm gonna be at the GUKPT Luton pretty much the rest of the week but would love to play this should I bust out of the ME on Friday.

Thanks,
Ryan

[paulhouk03]

Is this  a European ranking event?

[redsimon]

Do I get a Hendon Mob Flag?

FYP

[leethefish]

Does that stand for "welcome to the forum"?!

Think my 3hrs sleep aided to me not conveying the message I wanted.

Basically. The tourney was set. Dont be changing it.
Or is my opinion not allowed?!

Sorry but your post came across as total greed. IMO DTD do helluva lot for players. As others have mentioned in other posts, they've raised the bar. They ever foul up on something they always compensate the players in a suitable way.

Whilst it is nice to have an overlay I think most will agree it's worrying to see such a big one for the sake of the club.

But how are they changing the tourney? The payouts? Look at any online tourney on Stars and you see that the payout structure alters as more/less people enter. Same to an extent with yer normal casino crapshoot. Really, what is the problem?

agree
have you ever been to dtd?
they do more for average Joe than any club/casino in the UK ...its has the best dealers floor staff tourney directors etc...
 they put money into the UK poker community every single week with the guarantees..

they put on these massive 250k gte Monte Carlo
                                           100k gte deepstack
                                and now 250k gte for a £50 comp

what the fuck do you want a stt with 1 million gte with a £1 entry with no rake ?

[bigtadger]

 


[/quote]look at the end of the day no matter what runners there are its gonna be 1 hell of a game , 40 minute clock, 15k in chips this is proper deepstack poker, where i live over in hull my weekly game is basically in a nutshell a 3k crapshoot if we are lucky with no one really having over 10 bb  when sitting down on the final table, so to be able to play in one of these is a dream come true !!!!  its over a 2 hour drive for me everytime i venture over there but everytime its worth it, rob,simon,the staff , valet girls cant do enough for you in my opinion, great place , great atmosphere long live dtd !!!!!!! 

[cambridgealex]

Does that stand for "welcome to the forum"?!

Think my 3hrs sleep aided to me not conveying the message I wanted.

Basically. The tourney was set. Dont be changing it.
Or is my opinion not allowed?!

Sorry but your post came across as total greed. IMO DTD do helluva lot for players. As others have mentioned in other posts, they've raised the bar. They ever foul up on something they always compensate the players in a suitable way.

Whilst it is nice to have an overlay I think most will agree it's worrying to see such a big one for the sake of the club.

But how are they changing the tourney? The payouts? Look at any online tourney on Stars and you see that the payout structure alters as more/less people enter. Same to an extent with yer normal casino crapshoot. Really, what is the problem?

agree
have you ever been to dtd?
they do more for average Joe than any club/casino in the UK ...its has the best dealers floor staff tourney directors etc...
 they put money into the UK poker community every single week with the guarantees..

they put on these massive 250k gte Monte Carlo
                                           100k gte deepstack
                                and now 250k gte for a £50 comp

what the fuck do you want a stt with 1 million gte with a £1 entry with no rake ?

Most incredibly set out post I've ever seen.

[Skippy]

Does that stand for "welcome to the forum"?!

Think my 3hrs sleep aided to me not conveying the message I wanted.

Basically. The tourney was set. Dont be changing it.
Or is my opinion not allowed?!

Sorry but your post came across as total greed. IMO DTD do helluva lot for players. As others have mentioned in other posts, they've raised the bar. They ever foul up on something they always compensate the players in a suitable way.

Whilst it is nice to have an overlay I think most will agree it's worrying to see such a big one for the sake of the club.

But how are they changing the tourney? The payouts? Look at any online tourney on Stars and you see that the payout structure alters as more/less people enter. Same to an extent with yer normal casino crapshoot. Really, what is the problem?

agree
have you ever been to dtd?
they do more for average Joe than any club/casino in the UK ...its has the best dealers floor staff tourney directors etc...
 they put money into the UK poker community every single week with the guarantees..

they put on these massive 250k gte Monte Carlo
                                           100k gte deepstack
                                and now 250k gte for a £50 comp

what the fuck do you want a stt with 1 million gte with a £1 entry with no rake ?

Most incredibly set out post I've ever seen.

Are you in this yet, Alex?

[cambridgealex]

I'm on holiday at the weekend. Thinking about playing anyway and blinding out to a 500€ cash though....

[s4ooter]

Does that stand for "welcome to the forum"?!

Think my 3hrs sleep aided to me not conveying the message I wanted.

Basically. The tourney was set. Dont be changing it.
Or is my opinion not allowed?!

Sorry but your post came across as total greed. IMO DTD do helluva lot for players. As others have mentioned in other posts, they've raised the bar. They ever foul up on something they always compensate the players in a suitable way.

Whilst it is nice to have an overlay I think most will agree it's worrying to see such a big one for the sake of the club.

But how are they changing the tourney? The payouts? Look at any online tourney on Stars and you see that the payout structure alters as more/less people enter. Same to an extent with yer normal casino crapshoot. Really, what is the problem?

agree
have you ever been to dtd?
they do more for average Joe than any club/casino in the UK ...its has the best dealers floor staff tourney directors etc...
 they put money into the UK poker community every single week with the guarantees..

they put on these massive 250k gte Monte Carlo
                                           100k gte deepstack
                                and now 250k gte for a £50 comp

what the fuck do you want a stt with 1 million gte with a £1 entry with no rake ?

Been to DTD loads of times.
But thanks for tellin me what i already know

Pretty sure, im not that bothered by your 1mill gte tourny....think your just a little bit excited!!

With your enthusiasm they shoulda got you to do the promos for this event, they would hit the gte then!!!