"The Downswings of Property and Poker"

[Eso Kral]

Think i got moved to your table when there was around 40 odd left, was your exit hand 10's into chip leaders Kings?

Close 10's into AA  yeah it was pretty tez we had a bit of history and i should have folded as i still had 40k back and i never fold out worse 
You got a seat?

[Leatherman]

Yeh i managed to bink one pal, did you..? i was 2 seats to ya left and the guy in the middle i think was your friend.. You looked like brothers to be honest and i'm sure you mentioned that you use to share a flat together.. Soz if i got this totally wrong..

[flushthemout]

Rushed home from Golf to catch up on a  fantastic diary,  did not know u were in to Fitness, had two health clubs in 2001, u could have worked for me, sold now damm, one in Southern Ireland and One in Hinckley, we could have had so much fun, Memberships were good then and the extras that came with it!!!

[Eso Kral]

Yeh i managed to bink one pal, did you..? i was 2 seats to ya left and the guy in the middle i think was your friend.. You looked like brothers to be honest and i'm sure you mentioned that you use to share a flat together.. Soz if i got this totally wrong..

Ahhhhhhh actually i had never met that guy before (Heston Blooming whasisface lookalike) he was good buds with the guy that bust me but we were all talking for quite a while so it looked that way.

GL 2moro though, unfortunately i played the weekend trying to bink one and Sunday night my AK couldnt defeat JQ when it got a bit shippy and i departed 3 tables out and i tried twice online both late night ones AA loses to KK and squeezed shipped AQ into a min raise and 3 cold callers behind and the last caller looked me up for 92% of his stack with 78o    

GL though see you at the deepstack if your there!

[Leatherman]

Unlucky in not getting a seat and yeh we'll catch up at a deepstack..

[Claw75]

eso kral = paul mckenna?

haha i was gonna do that tonight!

[mondatoo]

Cba to look back and find where you said it but....

Earlier itt you said something along the lines of whether you win or lose it doesn't really effect you and you feel like you are the same person whether you have £1 or £3k in your pocket. Do you really believe that ? I'm not saying it's not the case, maybe it is, just it's something I say a lot myself but tbh I'm full of shit and just delude myself and although I've not gambled anywhere near the levels you have it does get a bit frustrating, mines more just simply wasting money more than gambling it away, although I'm guilty of that as well. I noticed you mentioned in a later post that "she was noticing my mood swings", I've never regretted anything I've done with regards to money but it does get me down a bit when I'm skint and can't afford to even do normal things when a short while ago I was burning money for fun, I find myself in this spot pretty regularly and although it doesn't bother me enough to make me change it definitely does have an effect on my mood, not permanently mind, just when I look at my bank balance 

[Eso Kral]

Cba to look back and find where you said it but....

Earlier itt you said something along the lines of whether you win or lose it doesn't really effect you and you feel like you are the same person whether you have £1 or £3k in your pocket. Do you really believe that ? I'm not saying it's not the case, maybe it is, just it's something I say a lot myself but tbh I'm full of shit and just delude myself and although I've not gambled anywhere near the levels you have it does get a bit frustrating, mines more just simply wasting money more than gambling it away, although I'm guilty of that as well. I noticed you mentioned in a later post that "she was noticing my mood swings", I've never regretted anything I've done with regards to money but it does get me down a bit when I'm skint and can't afford to even do normal things when a short while ago I was burning money for fun, I find myself in this spot pretty regularly and although it doesn't bother me enough to make me change it definitely does have an effect on my mood, not permanently mind, just when I look at my bank balance 

Raymondo,
First time around i think i used to let it affect me and after a losing day would be moody but after then i was the same person and kinda became immune to it, in fact later on winning or losing defo didnt matter it was actually easier to have lost the lot in your pocket as it was going to happen anyway.
Plus in my situation i was holding down a good job which partly enabled me to come out of the other side but my head was constantly immersed with figure so my game face and the way i ran my office needed to be constant, i think for you not letting it effect you must be good in a way as your chosen career means being able to distance yourself from the swings and ££ involved can only be a good thing imo.

[Eso Kral]

ITS GRIM UP NORTH!

Back up in the midlands i had taken the job as Midlands sales manager for a corporate car rental brokerage and had set up a new office in Birmingham for them and myself and Sarah had moved to Tamworth to a 5year old house, the year we had owned the flat we had made 5k and in property terms that seemed like a fortune if only we had not kept that to rent out and still bought our little modern 2 bed as well.

I was still punting my brains away mainly horses and dogs and had lost my contact with the dog man and within 3 months had lost 10k and then Sarah found out from a few phone calls that had come in from banks etc. This time as Sarah knew my Dad was willing to help out but only on a basis that i sought some help and also that Sarah's parents were informed and everyone was put in the picture.

So on a Thursday night Dad, Sarah and myself went to a Gamblers Anonymous meeting where they were taken into one room with the families and i was with the gamblers, around the room we went people standing up or sitting saying their first name and then " I am a compulsive gambler and i have not had a bet for " anything from 6months up to 18years and then it was my turn. Always up for a laugh i started off by saying "Hi my names Richard and i am most likely a compulsive gambler and i have not had a bet since the 4.38 at Monmore" which was met with silence followed by stares and then questions about why i was there that day.

Obviously i was only there as i had to and if i was turning up on my own definately would not have gone, GA was not for me infact i found it very Cult like. Im sure it has worked for some, many infact but not me and I did everything i could to make it not work for example they teach the families to take all your money away from you and access to it and you have to be given money that needs to be accounted for with receipts for what you have spent and the change in your pocket should then tally with the £10 or £20 you started with.

I would syphon off pennies, pounds by getting receipts which then got spun up on sprts betting and because i was having to be selective became quite succesfull spinning up £5 to just under £2000 before one day Sarah went out in my car and found all the money tucked away at the bottom of the golf bag and back to scratch it was along with the embarrassment of turning up at my next GA meeting ( yes i was still going ) and having to tell them i had gambled so back to week one i went. At this rate i would never get my tie pin for getting to 1 year!!

I now had what i thought would be my dream job working in the fitness industry selling Gym equipment for a big American Firm and it may well have been good if i wasnt still trying to beat the bookies but the wedding plans were still coming along and Sarah's family were still happy to commit large amounts of money as they wanted Sarah's day to be special and we were 4 months from getting married when one day whilst in the bookies just around the corner from home i bumped into a gorgeous girl working behind the counter called Kelly...

[Eso Kral]

Kelly was a brunette with a devilish streak in her and having met her once i didnt see her again for 3months when she was again working in the same bookies only this time Alan the manager came over to me and said that she had been looking out for me in other shops and all she knew was i had driven off the first time we met in a Red Golf Gti (company car).
I was only 4 weeks away from getting married but being impulsive all i knew was i wanted to take her out so a date was arranged and the next week we met up 40 miles away from where i lived and had a meal, unbeknown to me when picking her up 35 miles way from home and driving 5miles i had driven past one of our bridesmaids who had followed us and called Sarah who was now on her way over FML.

Anyway long story short on leaving the pub Sarah pulled up alongside the car and after telling her "its not what you think" and driving off it was pretty clear there would be no wedding!!

Within 3 months the property had been sold, i was renting a property in the east midlands and was then working for the bookies that Kelly worked for as a relief manager and was obviously going to end in disaster as this was in a time before the slip catcher system so i was always looking for an opportunity to have a bet which at the start was with competitors but then ended up with my own firm and again i was on a slippery slope.

The job lasted 2 years before Kelly and I drifted apart and I moved back down to Gants Hill, Ilford with a car and a few grand and i decided to let life take me where it would which was mainly William Hills across the roundabout and to Southend to play in this dungeon of a card room below sea level with the occasional forray to the midlands Jnc 10 or Luton to do the double header sat aft £10 rebuy and even after binking you could still get in the £10 pot limit rebuy but by now i had no access to credit as it was shot to pieces so was purely a cash person. I didnt do too much damage during this time as had to live within my means but had some memorable touches including my biggest ever placepot win which was £5k nearly landed a £12k touch the week after but had a banker in the last leg that was a field of 8 and was 9/4 fav with 3 rags in the field luckily for me i rang a friend and laid it for a place to win me £3k but i dont think i have ever been so disappointed winning £3k for a £40 outlay it felt like i lost £9k.

6 Months later i had run out of money and needed a job so started looking for sales roles but with a chequered CV nobody was interested as it just looked like i flitted around and changed jobs every 6months so the only sales roles available to me were in order of preference Estate Agent, Car Sales, Double glazing sales (nothing wrong with the other 2 obv) so i managed to secure a job working for a big corporate agent as a sles negotiator working in Ilford and the next chapter began...

[ForthThistle]

This awesome.

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[Eso Kral]

This awesome.     THX

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3 spring to mind    A dog at Perry Barr years ago we spread the money around in loads of shops around Walsall and Birmingham and stuck it in doubles and trebles with non runners and none of the faces were at the track so the course layers let it drift to 6/1.
My favourite tip and biggest individual horse bet was on (posted on here)  Kiss a Prince 5/1 which was the stables xmas winner, it was tipped up after but never in the same way but reckon it will win around lingfield later this year.
Finally 2 years ago in the non league Chelmsford i got told that Chelmsford who had just qualified for the playoffs had all put there season bonuses on themselves to lose the last game of the season so again filled the boots in dribs and drabs and at half time they were winning 2-0 only to lose i think 5-3 in the end  6/4

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Defo  Kiss a Prince last xmas   cant remember who said it but when it won someone posted "thank god i dont have to explain to the kids that santa is a degen"!!!

Most expensive meal you have paid for. (may include vinni)
TBH although i know Cos and a few others on here i have never been out with them to really expensive restaurants so Vinny's starter and main will be it plus thats more in ££ cos you have to sit and listen to him for an hour which any shrink would get loadsa money for 

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[CHIPPYMAN]

WELL DONE WITH UR DIARY MATE..

good read, funny and str forward.

go onnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn...

 

[Eso Kral]

WELL DONE WITH UR DIARY MATE..

good read, funny and str forward.

go onnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn...

 

TY Frankie  cant wait for yours 

[Eso Kral]

Unlucky in not getting a seat and yeh we'll catch up at a deepstack..

@ Leatherman dont know if you saw but the guy who busted me in that satellite went on to win the whole thing he took the 30k   mbn