"The Downswings of Property and Poker"

[dik9]

Gripping stuff Rich.

I have  known a fair few people who have got themselves in deep doodoo with Far-Eastern moneylenders and it's not funny at all. At one point there were around half a dozen of them who used to hang around in Gala Nottm. waiting for folk to go busto on the tables. It was so blatantly open that I was always amazed the management stood for it.

There's one I know of now who's in big big trouble from these guys. Obv it's his fault he fucked up so consistently (degens gonna degen) but he's now in so deep that all his avenues for making payments/getting out are dried up it's very worrying that something real bad will happen to him or his loved ones. It's come close already.

I have to be careful what I say here, but remember the murders of the family of 4 in Northampton? The image of the suspect involved is quite familiar to me from my days at China Palace, never gambled himself and had a completely different name. The casino itself was run by Triads but not on the face of it, our GM was paid off by them and if ever the head triad wanted a private meeting he just used to click his fingers and the GM would offer him his office. Casino's should never allow money lenders, but there is/was a dark side to them that no one would see.

[Eso Kral]

Gripping stuff Rich.

I have  known a fair few people who have got themselves in deep doodoo with Far-Eastern moneylenders and it's not funny at all. At one point there were around half a dozen of them who used to hang around in Gala Nottm. waiting for folk to go busto on the tables. It was so blatantly open that I was always amazed the management stood for it.

There's one I know of now who's in big big trouble from these guys. Obv it's his fault he fucked up so consistently (degens gonna degen) but he's now in so deep that all his avenues for making payments/getting out are dried up it's very worrying that something real bad will happen to him or his loved ones. It's come close already.

I have to be careful what I say here, but remember the murders of the family of 4 in Northampton? The image of the suspect involved is quite familiar to me from my days at China Palace, never gambled himself and had a completely different name. The casino itself was run by Triads but not on the face of it, our GM was paid off by them and if ever the head triad wanted a private meeting he just used to click his fingers and the GM would offer him his office. Casino's should never allow money lenders, but there is/was a dark side to them that no one would see.

I remember the China Palace well and fortunately for me i was always on my own dime in there. Nice food though!!

[bobAlike]

Gripping stuff Rich.

I have  known a fair few people who have got themselves in deep doodoo with Far-Eastern moneylenders and it's not funny at all. At one point there were around half a dozen of them who used to hang around in Gala Nottm. waiting for folk to go busto on the tables. It was so blatantly open that I was always amazed the management stood for it.

There's one I know of now who's in big big trouble from these guys. Obv it's his fault he fucked up so consistently (degens gonna degen) but he's now in so deep that all his avenues for making payments/getting out are dried up it's very worrying that something real bad will happen to him or his loved ones. It's come close already.

I have to be careful what I say here, but remember the murders of the family of 4 in Northampton? The image of the suspect involved is quite familiar to me from my days at China Palace, never gambled himself and had a completely different name. The casino itself was run by Triads but not on the face of it, our GM was paid off by them and if ever the head triad wanted a private meeting he just used to click his fingers and the GM would offer him his office. Casino's should never allow money lenders, but there is/was a dark side to them that no one would see.

I remember the China Palace well and fortunately for me i was always on my own dime in there. Nice food though!!

+1 on the food

Back in the early 90's there used to be an old chinese chap called Alwyn (spelling?) who took a shine to me at China Palace and always insisted on me joining him for dinner which the casino used to comp for him and after a while they extended the offer of food to me. This all came to an abrupt end when they banned me for turning my last £15 into just shy of £10k. This really peed me off as I'd done circa £150k in 2 years there.

Rich I think we were introduced briefly at DtD a couple of months back but I'm surprised I never knew you before as Walsall used to be one of my haunts.

Brilliant thread this by the way.

[Eso Kral]

+1 on the food

Back in the early 90's there used to be an old chinese chap called Alwyn (spelling?) who took a shine to me at China Palace and always insisted on me joining him for dinner which the casino used to comp for him and after a while they extended the offer of food to me. This all came to an abrupt end when they banned me for turning my last £15 into just shy of £10k. This really peed me off as I'd done circa £150k in 2 years there.Rich I think we were introduced briefly at DtD a couple of months back but I'm surprised I never knew you before as Walsall used to be one of my haunts.

Brilliant thread this by the way.
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Sounds like you should start a diary!!

[bobAlike]

+1 on the food

Back in the early 90's there used to be an old chinese chap called Alwyn (spelling?) who took a shine to me at China Palace and always insisted on me joining him for dinner which the casino used to comp for him and after a while they extended the offer of food to me. This all came to an abrupt end when they banned me for turning my last £15 into just shy of £10k. This really peed me off as I'd done circa £150k in 2 years there.Rich I think we were introduced briefly at DtD a couple of months back but I'm surprised I never knew you before as Walsall used to be one of my haunts.

Brilliant thread this by the way.

Sounds like you should start a diary!!
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I could never write as well as you plus I was never that much of a degen. It was all my own money, just didn't know the value of it.

[sovietsong]

diary is amazing. 

[Karabiner]

Gripping stuff Rich.

I have  known a fair few people who have got themselves in deep doodoo with Far-Eastern moneylenders and it's not funny at all. At one point there were around half a dozen of them who used to hang around in Gala Nottm. waiting for folk to go busto on the tables. It was so blatantly open that I was always amazed the management stood for it.

There's one I know of now who's in big big trouble from these guys. Obv it's his fault he fucked up so consistently (degens gonna degen) but he's now in so deep that all his avenues for making payments/getting out are dried up it's very worrying that something real bad will happen to him or his loved ones. It's come close already.

I have to be careful what I say here, but remember the murders of the family of 4 in Northampton? The image of the suspect involved is quite familiar to me from my days at China Palace, never gambled himself and had a completely different name. The casino itself was run by Triads but not on the face of it, our GM was paid off by them and if ever the head triad wanted a private meeting he just used to click his fingers and the GM would offer him his office. Casino's should never allow money lenders, but there is/was a dark side to them that no one would see.

There were a couple of people from that era around ten years ago who died in mysterious road-accidents after having disagreements or differences of opinion with that group. Mr Kau who was a regular in all of the Nottm. Gala tourneys and cash-games for one. Of course it might well have been mere coincidence.

[Marky147]

Definitely one of the most thought provoking threads I have read on any forum!!

[paulhouk03]

When i first played with you in a tourney you 4 bet jammed 89 of hearts then u got looked up by ak

as you lost you mumbled to me i know how to fold ak

would you ever ak in that spot? or in a tourney

[leethefish]

one more "episode" before i have to leave to play apat....please

[Eso Kral]

When i first played with you in a tourney you 4 bet jammed 89 of hearts then u got looked up by ak

as you lost you mumbled to me i know how to fold ak

would you ever ak in that spot? or in a tourney

I thought the only time we played together was day 2 when i was shortie and having raise folded twice had to raise call it off against R.Hortons AQ but i get there otr, then you raise utg with AKhh and i overjam AA and you say "i'm never folding this against you having seen your 89" 

Edit as writing this i remember now    yeah it was like level 8 or something and i was chipped up but had not been on table long, i think that was more of a fml as your correct i never put AK down in that spot with the pot laying 2-1 infact it was a terra bad push tbh looking back.

You turned to me and said "Do you play on the internet"

[smashedagain]

Lol. Going toe to toe with the Ho.
Great read Richard. Super stuff and gripping. Did you ever take a kicking coz most of the lenders threaten family as it's hard for you to make a payment from a hospital bed. Threatening a degen  gamble has very little effect but put the kids and wife in the mix it's suprising how often they magic up some money.

[Eso Kral]

Lol. Going toe to toe with the Ho.
Great read Richard. Super stuff and gripping. Did you ever take a kicking coz most of the lenders threaten family as it's hard for you to make a payment from a hospital bed. Threatening a degen  gamble has very little effect but put the kids and wife in the mix it's suprising how often they magic up some money.

Hi Herbie, nice to see you back m8.  Your correct in your assumption but i never did and was never really in a relationship and didnt have kids till 5months ago, and since i have been with Petra have calmed down a bit.

You in Notts next weekend?

[leethefish]

Please come say hello to me next weekend at deepstack names and faces and all that

[Eso Kral]

£100 TO £10'000 IN 11 LOCAL TOURNAMENTS

So i sat in the £20 rebuy on a weds night and things seemed to change as approaching the FT i had plenty of chips and was pushing the bubble in fact i didnt want the bubble to burst as i was accumulating and skated into the final table as CL, let the shorties knock each other out and then 4 handed with the blinds pretty high and now only being a losing flip from being shortie so we dealt and took £1200 each and called it a night.  I went back for what was beginners night £5r on Thursday and bust out then final tabled the next 9 tournaments in a row and in 7 of them either won it outright or dealt for figures i was happy with.

My views on F/T deals are im happy to do them if i think its correct for me at the time if not play on.  As we stand today despite only making 1 FT in the DTD300 i dont think i would deal unless as a shortie i was offered an obscene deal, so when im on the ft next week please remind me of this!!! 

Not being a person who liked to keep money in banks at the time due to only being able to withdraw £300 at a time i resorted to keeping it in bundles of £1000 and putting it in socks, underwear infact anywhere around the flat so i could draw on it if required.  Work was ok but i didnt really enjoy the office i worked in as had moved office to Chadwell Heath and it was a horrible area due to the fact you couldnt have confidence in buyers so we would sell each house to 2-3 different parties and then hope 1 was able to get a mortgage offer and the deal through.

Due to the fact i was holding some cash all of a sudden i was putting £500 doubles on the football and winning and my roll was growing and as i approached the start of March i had approx 15k in the flat when after final tabling another donkament whilst cashing in at the cash desk and counting out my money Petra was stood by the side of me waiting to cash her tips for the night and said "Are you Rich?".....