River spot with two purrs

[skolsuper]

Wp Sunny. Sometimes you gotta get bluffed...

[Pinchop73]

From a maths pov I still think shoving is more +EV than calling. We get beat by his straights/sets/better two pair by calling as well as his flushes (which I still see as pretty unlikely) obv.

Whereas when we shove, very few recreational players are going to call off seven hundred and fifty British pounds with anything less than a big flush, as it's a decent chunk of a lot of people's roll's.

I think two pair/straight/sets/some air are a much bigger part of his range by the river than the amount of flushes.

However, it would be a particularly risky tactic versus this villain due to his fondness of hero calling, especially with our perceived image. So yeah, still stand by the sigh fold.

[TheFallen]

bet turn bigger and dont induce a bluff or call river when u decided to call turn. your line didnt make much sense to me

folding pre seems ridic, its not a game full of astute pros grinding out small edges.

[Whollyflush]

Think you played it fine, fold now.

@whollyflush, we don't fold pre cos we're getting implied odds to flop even just the nut straight vs smaller straight, look at the effective stacks

True, but in practice this never happens. Alot of the time we flop something or even top 2 and money goes into the pot without us flopping the str8. We then get excited start to pile money in, the board gets ugly and we face resistance. I suppose what im getting at is we need to be playing so close to perfect postflop, that most of us can't profitably flick in the £1.

Don't play bad then? There is a lower bound on our profit in this hand and it is -£1. If we do worse than that on average then we could improve our strategy by simply always checking and folding, hence it is not a good strategy. If we play appropriately postflop, i.e. Very cautiously with bottom 2 pair or less and wary that our opponents will probably expect to have implied odds for all gutshot draws etc on the flop, I am sure we will make a profit on this hand.

Completing with a hand weaker than most players limping range in a live game isn't going to make us money.

So what about 78s? 78o?

I can't help it You mentioned stacking smaller str8's but that can't happen with Q9o obv.  I didn't mean to imply ppl won't limp worse hands than Q9o just that 6way this hand has really bad reverse implied odds. Pretty sick how he turns up with 74o lol although i'd fold pre and fold the turn, i think you should probably call the river once you get there.

[cambridgealex]

cant straight over straight with Q9?!

why fold turn when he has worse 2pairs here? 

[pleno1]

bad bet sizing by him on river imo, but nice turn raise.

[Whollyflush]

cant straight over straight with Q9?!why fold turn when he has worse 2pairs here? 

oops been playing too much recently brain is fried.

If hes competent i doubt he ever raises the turn with a worse 2 pair, its arguably more likely he would raise the flop.

[skolsuper]

bad bet sizing by him on river imo, but nice turn raise.

I like both tbh.

Also agree with Ged, £35 is the pro's choice turn bet.

[action man]

cant straight over straight with Q9?!

why fold turn when he has worse 2pairs here? 

T8J ?

[pleno1]

bad bet sizing by him on river imo, but nice turn raise.

I like both tbh.

Also agree with Ged, £35 is the pro's choice turn bet.

i think we polarize our value range to almost 108cc and k10cc exclusively and against live pros thats not a wise thing to do.

[cambridgealex]

bad bet sizing by him on river imo, but nice turn raise.

I like both tbh.

Also agree with Ged, £35 is the pro's choice turn bet.

i think we polarize our value range to almost 108cc and k10cc exclusively and against live pros thats not a wise thing to do.

haha

[skolsuper]

bad bet sizing by him on river imo, but nice turn raise.

I like both tbh.

Also agree with Ged, £35 is the pro's choice turn bet.

i think we polarize our value range to almost 108cc and k10cc exclusively and against live pros thats not a wise thing to do.

eh?

[cambridgealex]

bad bet sizing by him on river imo, but nice turn raise.

I like both tbh.

Also agree with Ged, £35 is the pro's choice turn bet.

i think we polarize our value range to almost 108cc and k10cc exclusively and against live pros thats not a wise thing to do.

eh?

as in, if we are villain, betting 210 polarises us to those hands.

[skolsuper]

Ahhh. Disagree. Dunno why pleno and Pinchop have decided the river sizing is especially 'big' or 'weird'.

[GreekStein]

Dunno why pleno and Pinchop have decided the river sizing is especially 'big' or 'weird'.

This.