Vegass Handddss

[Patonius2000]

quite a few spots today, here's one hand I think I might have misplayed....

$10/$20 nl

I am OTB playing ~$6k

I Open to $60 with  

Folds to the BB - a confirmed Reg who has been 3betting me loads this game (think he is trying to pick on me a bit *sad face*) playing ~$6k also

He 3bets to $220. I call.

Flop ($450)   .

He checks. This surprises me because he had appeared to be Cbetting kinda more than usual, and more the most part pretty well (he had been making hands mind) i felt for sure if he had air he'd lead this flop, which by the same logic means he'd lead a strong hand (AQ etc)

I Decide to chk back - this could be a mistake - My logic was that if I had Air, he'd prolly expect me to either fire a couple of barrels or just give it up, when i chk back I rep marginal showdown value, 88/99 9Ts (some Ax's admittedly) and some airballs - not really sure what frequency he'd exect me to bluff here, I think anything with some some equity I might dbl barrel, but he will prolly try bet for value with KK/QQ at some point in the hand, if he bets the turn I can raise and my line looks so weird that he MIGHT hero at least one bet with KK/QQ as I'm sure because of how he'd expect me to play my AIR he'd expect me to bet 66/TT/AT/A6 almost 100% OTF.

Turn ($450)  .

He leads for $360. Now whereas I don;t think he has a flush very often here I now don't really think I can raise, raising now I'm repping a flush and my actual hand is so under-repped that I don't really see mich merit to over-repping it, I figured he'd prolly be showing up with JJ-KK with a spade a high %. As well as this, I actually got a bit of a live read that he might have a really good hand, IDKeven really what it was, just an instinct....

River ($1170)  

He deliberates and bets $1,460. One thing I didn't consider OTF was that of all the "Air" hands he might have, the ones he MIGHT chk are actually spade/spade combo's, and with the not being on the board there could well be a bunch of   Xs (8Ts/TJs etc) he was checking the flop, to try C/R with most fold equity.With this new thought and the instinct I had on the turn about him being strong, coupled with the face he'd overbet and he didn't seem in anuy way crazy I decided to fold (shocker)

Thoughts?

(FWIW I think this is in general a bad fold, for reasons I think Rob will explain )

River fold looks fine. I wouldn't check back the flop. I mean it is deceptive but so is betting and that has the advantage of making the pot larger.
The KQ hand I'm not particularly wild on and I wouldn't do it without a live read.

[Patonius2000]

edit: though that first hand is surely a horrific river bet/call? expecting a check/min raise bluff after you've triple barreled a soaking wet board to happen like ever surely can't be correct

well you are right lol, but i dont think we should look at the river as a "bet call", i wasn't initially "betting to call" I expected him to raise like never so didn't really consider it too much......

I'd rather look at the two actions seperately, was it a good river bluff firstly, now he's raised can he ever have a better hand?

remember OTR he has $1200~ i bet $460 and he trys to make it $760 - why wouldn't he go all in if he had a good hand? I think betting the turn is the worst bit of the hand personally

Yeah I mean we've all been there where someone does something live that you don't expect and you're like oh shit! But that usually means you're not playing very well/tired. I think the river is a really obvious check, and when I first read the post I honestly thought you were value betting and was going to tell you it was way too thin.

[Dubai]

Defo overthinking the 66 hand- no need to check back flop, just fire and make pot bigger, widen ur range etc etc etc

[SuuPRlim]

River fold looks fine. I wouldn't check back the flop. I mean it is deceptive but so is betting and that has the advantage of making the pot larger.
The KQ hand I'm not particularly wild on and I wouldn't do it without a live read.

every hand in live poker is basically a live read lol.

I reckon if i'd thought a bit more about it on the flop in the 66 hand I'd prolly have clued onto the fact that he's gonna be c/r quite a bit

[skolsuper]

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[MC]

Haha sick thread

Results on the hand please!!!

[SuuPRlim]

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<3

[SuuPRlim]

hand he declares King high, your guess is as good as mine as to his other card.

66 hand we were playing show 1 card and he showed the  then flashed the  (nice going 3betting that 300bigs deep)

[SuuPRlim]

here is a hand a didn't participate in, but witnessed

$25/$50 NL ($100 BB ante)

UTG1 opens to $150, call, call from huge whale,

BTN 3bets to $1,250

Folds to the fish who calls.

Flop ($2,925) 

Fish Jams for $10,500~
3better calls.

3better has 

and he is VS...............

[MC]

hand he declares King high, your guess is as good as mine as to his other card.

66 hand we were playing show 1 card and he showed the  then flashed the  (nice going 3betting that 300bigs deep)

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[cambridgealex]

So this is just a brag thread?!

Ps what's wrong with 3betting k3 soooted 300bbs deep?!

<3 the suited face cards

[SuuPRlim]

So this is just a brag thread?!

Ps what's wrong with 3betting k3 soooted 300bbs deep?!

<3 the suited face cards

hows it a brag thread when I leave the results out till requested

i mean its obv fine, it's just im folding aabout 1% of the time and now he has to play a pretty budget hand with 5.8k in stacks OOP, when I'm going to be trying to fuck with him all the time

[skolsuper]

So this is just a brag thread?!

Ps what's wrong with 3betting k3 soooted 300bbs deep?!

<3 the suited face cards

hows it a brag thread when I leave the results out till requested

i mean its obv fine, it's just im folding aabout 1% of the time and now he has to play a pretty budget hand with 5.8k in stacks OOP, when I'm going to be trying to fuck with folding sets to him all the time

FYP

[SuuPRlim]

had a really wierd hand today for several reasons.

$25/$50/$100 ROE

UTG, a really really good, but extremely aggro, and almost a bit spewy chinese guy gets dealt his hand and the   gets flashed from his hand, he insists that he is keeping the card and limps, 4 others limp.

round to me in the sb, playing ~$20k I find the  

- Was a bit confused at this point, firstly it seems pretty obvious that Yi (the chinese player) has JJ, or maybe , also with one one of the huge fish has limped and the other is in the BB -

I was pretty tempted to just make it up as the hand had trainwreck written all over it, don't know what anyone thinks of that?

I ended up squeezing the $750, which In hiensight might have been too small?

BB calls - playing ~$16k, everyone else folds.

Flop ($1,850)  

I Cbet $1,050. The fish without really missing a heartbeat makes a big pile of $100 chips and pushes them clumsily over the line, he 100% does not know how much he;s raised.
It end ups being $3,600.

He was a really "movesy" fish, loved making bluffs and big bets but was quite cautious when he had showdown value, if he flopped 2nd pair for example he'd bet once then look to check down, My Image as usual is pretty TAG, on the tighter side of TAG, I defo give him enough credit to realize I would only squeeze a really really good hand preflop in that spot but at the same time he'd defo have it in his head he'll be looking to "get me off it"

Anyone do anything else but fold, and what you think of preflop squeeze/sizing and Cbet?

[SuuPRlim]

So this is just a brag thread?!

Ps what's wrong with 3betting k3 soooted 300bbs deep?!

<3 the suited face cards

hows it a brag thread when I leave the results out till requested

i mean its obv fine, it's just im folding aabout 1% of the time and now he has to play a pretty budget hand with 5.8k in stacks OOP, when I'm going to be trying to fuck with folding sets to him all the time

FYP

lolol.

If he hadn't have overbet I'd have called for surrrrrrre, he just made it so he couldn't be value betting worse hardly ever. He basically played the whole hand like he thinks I'm fish and it cost him his river bet, i'm glad he didnt but he should have given me a bit more credit, I think he's been talking to you Keys....