Chinese girl accident story

[gatso]

when someone who lives with photaomch says it's the most disturbing video they've ever seen it's gonna be pretty grim

[SirPerceval]

as title says,


as the last video was taken down ive put a link to a much cuter one involving a baby rabbit sleeping. Sorry for spoiler but didnt want mods to call me a prick

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSFB2ytWJLQ


THE LINK BELOW IS TO A NEWS REPORT OF THE INCIDENT NOT A VIDEO,

http://www.chinasmack.com/2011/videos/2-year-old-chinese-girl-ran-over-by-van-ignored-by-18-bystanders.html

The news report does contain the video though.

[paulpitchford]

Just checked, I was wrong. Perhaps shows the strength of feeling at the subject being posted on here

just got a message from a mod for reason for deletion, and i gotta say a pretty poor excuse. If a member or 2 complained then i would agree but its a relevant news piece that highlights the social and ethical lack of everyday morals.

The poor child and family that this happened too deserve for this story not to just be dismissed as its a little gory but to be discussed and widely exposed.

Maybe I should of put a better description of the turn of events in the op but this should never of been deleted.

Its still a story without the video, in fact more of one. All the follow up posts were naturally about peoples personal reaction to the video, or some generalisation about china or chiness people, not about the broader issue.

So, take the discussion down any path you want, that's wide open to you  and I'd love to hear more from you on the subject raised

in today's society the modern media is portrayed in video form, if I had put up a link to a newspaper article it would not have many people discussing it outside of this forum. With the inclusion of the video I guarantee that most people upset, repulsed or disgusted by the video are more likely to tell others about the story. I believe that poor girl got igored for long enough on the floor of that street and shouldnt be ignored on what is supposed to be a open adult website.

Seriously, who wants to see a two year old get run over?? I read the peice and that was disturbing enough.

A few weeks back, the BBC ran a peice on a story in Afganistan where a man killed 3 young girls parents. The town got together, tied this man up and gave the girls a gun. They then encouraged the girls to shoot him. The BBC did not feel the need to show the girls shooting the man. The video cut out before the trigger was pulled. To say that today's media is portrayed in video form is a poor argument for a sick video in my opinion.

To say i would be more inclined to tell people about the story JUST because I saw the video is also a poor argument. I'm less likley to tell my partner to go looking for the story if I know that the video would traumatise her!

The top and bottom of it is, in my opinion, is that watching video's of children getting hurt or pople getting killed is just not required to portray the severity of the story.

[ManuelsMum]

Plenty of sites on the internet show that kind of video and much worse, some run with idiotic tags like 'can you handle life?'
They'll be the first to show the fate of Ken Bigley in Iraq, people being shot at close range, acts of deliberate graphic violence.
No matter how bored I get I never feel inclined to check them out, I'd get nothing from them, on the contrary you end up at least distressed by them. And I can 'handle life' thank you very much. I know exactly what someone means when they say 'toddler run over by two vans, many pedestrians ignored her', what more would I gain by seeing this for myself?

The story with or without the video tells me nothing I'm afraid. I'm very sorry for the girl, I hope she recovers. But what am I supposed to take away from it? That chinese people are unhelpful to strangers? This could have happened anywhere, the processes that cause bystanders to walk past are well documented in the annals of social psychology. Are we trying to prevent avoidable child deaths here? Post a pic of the thousands of toddlers that died in a pool of blood due to a pointless war in Iraq (acceptable collateral damage??), the hundreds of thousands who are about to die in Pakistan, Somalia, etc because we in the west are collectively choosing just to 'walk on by' them too.

[TightEnd]

I had this sort of semi intelligent discussion with Celtic  ( i know..you gotta give him a chance )

My argument being this is a public forum and that I felt the mods were a little draconian in their approach in some instances..taking their personal opinions and preferences into account rather than being objective...

I think people should be able to post their views pretty much as they like as long as they don't step over certain standard boundries...

The chinese girl video was probably the most horrific real life thing i have ever seen and the callous attitude of the passers by is beyond human belief.. however the video is in the public domain and Doogan although he could have brought it to our attention a little better was just simply doing this..alerting us to something in the public domain..mods need to be a bit more objective or soon there won't be a forum .. i personally hardly post on discussion threads for fear of incurring the wrath of a mod

blimey

posting the video overstepped the boundary in my opinion, I deleted it off here

Not sure I was anything other than objective. After all I have no involvement in the story or nothing against the poster.

Discussion of the story is of course fine, it just wasn't posted too sensitively or with adequate warnings first time round imo, that's all

[the sicilian]

I had this sort of semi intelligent discussion with Celtic  ( i know..you gotta give him a chance )

My argument being this is a public forum and that I felt the mods were a little draconian in their approach in some instances..taking their personal opinions and preferences into account rather than being objective...

I think people should be able to post their views pretty much as they like as long as they don't step over certain standard boundaries...

The Chinese girl video was probably the most horrific real life thing i have ever seen and the callous attitude of the passers by is beyond human belief.. however the video is in the public domain and Doogan although he could have brought it to our attention a little better was just simply doing this..alerting us to something in the public domain..mods need to be a bit more objective or soon there won't be a forum .. i personally hardly post on discussion threads for fear of incurring the wrath of a mod

blimey

posting the video overstepped the boundary in my opinion, I deleted it off here

Not sure I was anything other than objective. After all I have no involvement in the story or nothing against the poster.

Discussion of the story is of course fine, it just wasn't posted too sensitively or with adequate warnings first time round IMO, that's all

I thought there was quite a clear warning in the case it was pointed out it was very disturbing.

Celtic just called it sick..this implies viewers would gain some personal gratification from it.... this was a news item and the video is in the public domain..people on this forum and generally have the right to choose to view it or not..by taking it down you have taken this right away.. whether it is disturbing or not is irrelevant the point is as free willed human beings living in a civilised society we have the right to view public domain content if we choose to and any single mods personal opinion cannot make this decision...perhaps things like this should be collectively discussed by mods rather than a single persons decision.

We are not children please do not treat us as such.

Will the video be re posted with adequate warnings ?

[SirPerceval]

The video HAS been reposted in the OP.

[TightEnd]

No

It is not always possible to make a team decision. At 12.30am this morning it wasn't possible

A single mod can take such a decision, and frequently does. What is posted on here, public domain or not, is the responsibility of those asked to be moderators.

[the sicilian]

The video HAS been reposted in the OP.

ok...cheers didnt see that..foot stamping over

[TightEnd]

The video HAS been reposted in the OP.

ok...cheers didnt see that..foot stamping over

It will be removed

Foot stamping to resume


News items fine, but no video

thanks

[TightEnd]

the OP now has the story, no video

perfectly adequate on here

[tikay]

perhaps things like this should be collectively discussed by mods rather than a single persons decision.

ALL the Mods who have voiced an opinion on this (4 so far, I seem to recall) on the Mods Board hold exactly the same view on this.

 

[ManuelsMum]

Mods 1
Pricks 0

[the sicilian]

the OP now has the story, no video

perfectly adequate on here

why no video ?

Are you saying we can't make our own decisions about to view or not?

i thought we lived in a society of free will.....

This is a public forum isn't it? or a closed bunny filled wonderland where the establishment decides whats best for us... yikes !! Sorry Tighty you haven't the right to censor public domain material..this is what i meant about mods overstepping their boundaries... whether you think its acceptable or not is not the point its up to the membership of the forum to decide this..and the way they choose this is to view or not...not whether you allow it or not.

One of our members was good enough to bring this terrible story to the attention of the collective, just because its not particularly nice is irrelevant. I was  unaware of it before and it provoked a good deal of discussion in my office and brought home some serious human points...everyone else here decided not to watch the video...however at least they were given the choice

[the sicilian]

Mods 1
Pricks 0

Seriously ?