Chinese girl accident story

[nirvana]

I had this sort of semi intelligent discussion with Celtic  ( i know..you gotta give him a chance )

My argument being this is a public forum and that I felt the mods were a little draconian in their approach in some instances..taking their personal opinions and preferences into account rather than being objective...

I think people should be able to post their views pretty much as they like as long as they don't step over certain standard boundaries...

The Chinese girl video was probably the most horrific real life thing i have ever seen and the callous attitude of the passers by is beyond human belief.. however the video is in the public domain and Doogan although he could have brought it to our attention a little better was just simply doing this..alerting us to something in the public domain..mods need to be a bit more objective or soon there won't be a forum .. i personally hardly post on discussion threads for fear of incurring the wrath of a mod

blimey

posting the video overstepped the boundary in my opinion, I deleted it off here

Not sure I was anything other than objective. After all I have no involvement in the story or nothing against the poster.

Discussion of the story is of course fine, it just wasn't posted too sensitively or with adequate warnings first time round IMO, that's all

I thought there was quite a clear warning in the case it was pointed out it was very disturbing.

Celtic just called it sick..this implies viewers would gain some personal gratification from it.... this was a news item and the video is in the public domain..people on this forum and generally have the right to choose to view it or not..by taking it down you have taken this right away.. whether it is disturbing or not is irrelevant the point is as free willed human beings living in a civilised society we have the right to view public domain content if we choose to and any single mods personal opinion cannot make this decision...perhaps things like this should be collectively discussed by mods rather than a single persons decision.

We are not children please do not treat us as such.

Will the video be re posted with adequate warnings ?

Sorry Dean, this is just pish on pish.

No ones rights have been taken away, as you say it's public domain so knowledge of the story is enough to find the video - if of course, they are inclined to watch videos of kids being run over as they can't 'picture the scene'.

One of the best things here is that mods do exercise a moderate amount of censorship - I don't always agree with what is and what isn't but fucked if I'd own a website and let it have links to kids being run over or beheadings or any other shiz like that. I'm intelligent enough to know it happens and be completely shocked by it without watching it.

[nirvana]

which mod used the word 'prick' or similar?

is this true ?  is it ok for mods on their enclosed part of the site to slag off and carry out personal vendettas against members?

apparently true as more than 1 member saw the insult before the post was removed. tighty and celtic both ignored the question.

The post was more a hypothetical 'prick' -  or an equation

[doogan]

It was me who made the prick comment. Yeah OK, maybe I didn't need to resort to name calling but I think some of you are failing to understand exactly what was in that video - this was a child being very seriously injured, almost killed. Very nearly a snuff video.

Whether it is something which should even be posted on here is debatable. If it is, then it would have to be made very explicitly clear to anyone who clicked on the link what it was. The webpage was in Chinese. The video was in Chinese. It would have been very probable that someone could click on the link expecting to see something horrible, but ultimately harmless (like 2 Girls 1 Cup).

But a child getting run over by a van? And lying there on the ground, obviously in much pain and distress, barely moving? Whilst people passed by? And no indication as to whether the child died or not?

Seriously?

I'm sure if Phatomch were still on the forum he would agree that was beyond the pale.

Yet you didn't instantly remove it or ask me to?  you just edited the op to say what it was and call me a prick.

To be honest I am not bothered about the prick bit and I should of put a better description of what it was, I had a few drinks last night and I would of followed up with a english news piece if the thread wasn't deleted.

[AndrewT]

As I said, I didn't remove it because the problem was not the posting of the link (IMO - others may disagree) but the lack of explanation of exactly what it was. I put in the description.

Maybe I shouldn't have made the prick comment but just shows how angry I was with you - I don't rile easily.

[doogan]

As I said, I didn't remove it because the problem was not the posting of the link (IMO - others may disagree) but the lack of explanation of exactly what it was. I put in the description.

Maybe I shouldn't have made the prick comment but just shows how angry I was with you - I don't rile easily.

Not worried about the prick bit so no one else should be. You put a description up and have just said there was no prob  putting the link up so why was it deleted twice after a full description of what it was with the warnings i put on that numerous members have stated they thought were adequate?

[Josedinho]

It's a really tough job to decide what can or can't be kept on a forum but I thought there were pretty good warnings for people not to watch it.
AndrewT obv didn't like the video and maybe didn't react in the best manner.
Would it be a decent guess that there are 9/11 videos on Blonde somewhere? Some of those images I found really upsetting when I watched but I guess they would be allowed to stay.
Pretty sure on the Sports section you can see the crash in which Dan Wheldon died. Dunno who the poster was and it was done before the news had come in of his death, not having a pop just pointing out that's a horrible and upsetting video too.
Seeing images obv gives us a clearer picture of exactly what happened which is why people use them rather than somebody just talking and describing everything that happens.
I wish I hadn't seen it but not in a "wish he hadn't posted it" way more of a "I wish it hadn't happened" or "I wish I was blissfully ignorant of the event" type of way.

[Woodsey]

There's is plenty of stuff posted on here of crashes and stuff that are just as bad imo, dunno why people are getting their knickers in a twist about this one in particular.

[the sicilian]

I had this sort of semi intelligent discussion with Celtic  ( i know..you gotta give him a chance )

My argument being this is a public forum and that I felt the mods were a little draconian in their approach in some instances..taking their personal opinions and preferences into account rather than being objective...

I think people should be able to post their views pretty much as they like as long as they don't step over certain standard boundaries...

The Chinese girl video was probably the most horrific real life thing i have ever seen and the callous attitude of the passers by is beyond human belief.. however the video is in the public domain and Doogan although he could have brought it to our attention a little better was just simply doing this..alerting us to something in the public domain..mods need to be a bit more objective or soon there won't be a forum .. i personally hardly post on discussion threads for fear of incurring the wrath of a mod

blimey

posting the video overstepped the boundary in my opinion, I deleted it off here

Not sure I was anything other than objective. After all I have no involvement in the story or nothing against the poster.

Discussion of the story is of course fine, it just wasn't posted too sensitively or with adequate warnings first time round IMO, that's all

I thought there was quite a clear warning in the case it was pointed out it was very disturbing.

Celtic just called it sick..this implies viewers would gain some personal gratification from it.... this was a news item and the video is in the public domain..people on this forum and generally have the right to choose to view it or not..by taking it down you have taken this right away.. whether it is disturbing or not is irrelevant the point is as free willed human beings living in a civilised society we have the right to view public domain content if we choose to and any single mods personal opinion cannot make this decision...perhaps things like this should be collectively discussed by mods rather than a single persons decision.

We are not children please do not treat us as such.

Will the video be re posted with adequate warnings ?

Sorry Dean, this is just pish on pish.

No ones rights have been taken away, as you say it's public domain so knowledge of the story is enough to find the video - if of course, they are inclined to watch videos of kids being run over as they can't 'picture the scene'.

One of the best things here is that mods do exercise a moderate amount of censorship - I don't always agree with what is and what isn't but fucked if I'd own a website and let it have links to kids being run over or beheadings or any other shiz like that. I'm intelligent enough to know it happens and be completely shocked by it without watching it.

Think you miss the point Glen...

its not a website its a public forum..a place where you come together to view and discuss events whether, harmless funny topical or as in this case disturbing.

There were more than adequate warnings about the link and as grown adults i think we should be allowed to make our decision and not have someone make it for us...censorship for censorships sake is not a good thing...ask cold war Russians.. in fact its quite ironic this story comes from a country steeped in a history of a controlling overseer government...

As stated the content could have been of something equally disturbing but been allowed... let us make our own decisions please

[AndrewT]

Think you miss the point Glen...

its not a website its a public forum..a place where you come together to view and discuss events whether, harmless funny topical or as in this case disturbing.

There were more than adequate warnings about the link and as grown adults i think we should be allowed to make our decision and not have someone make it for us...censorship for censorships sake is not a good thing...ask cold war Russians.. in fact its quite ironic this story comes from a country steeped in a history of a controlling overseer government...

As stated the content could have been of something equally disturbing but been allowed... let us make our own decisions please

There are plenty of unmoderated forums on the internet.

[doogan]

Anyway, I think the thread has been pushed of track here, the poor girl is in a very bad way and the lack of help given by the passing people is disgusting.

For these people not to help due to the fear of being blamed is a shocking indictment of the modern culture of trying to sue for everything you can.

I only hope that the poor girl's family can progress as they have shown great morality in refusing money or financial help for medical expenses.

[the sicilian]

Think you miss the point Glen...

its not a website its a public forum..a place where you come together to view and discuss events whether, harmless funny topical or as in this case disturbing.

There were more than adequate warnings about the link and as grown adults i think we should be allowed to make our decision and not have someone make it for us...censorship for censorships sake is not a good thing...ask cold war Russians.. in fact its quite ironic this story comes from a country steeped in a history of a controlling overseer government...

As stated the content could have been of something equally disturbing but been allowed... let us make our own decisions please

There are plenty of unmoderated forums on the internet.

Mods check everything no?

[GreekStein]

As I said, I didn't remove it because the problem was not the posting of the link (IMO - others may disagree) but the lack of explanation of exactly what it was. I put in the description.

Maybe I shouldn't have made the prick comment but just shows how angry I was with you - I don't rile easily.

Angry why? We were all angered by the content but what did the OP do wrong?

Plenty of people (and I think we all HATED the content of the video) have defended op's posting of it. I certainly don't think he was trying to anger people.

You calling him a prick is so far out of line. It's something we expect of Ironside

[GreekStein]

Anyway, I think the thread has been pushed of track here, the poor girl is in a very bad way and the lack of help given by the passing people is disgusting.

For these people not to help due to the fear of being blamed is a shocking indictment of the modern culture of trying to sue for everything you can.

I only hope that the poor girl's family can progress as they have shown great morality in refusing money or financial help for medical expenses.

What part of China is it in?

It was similar to Woodsey's story on my diary about people not stopping in car accidents etc over here in Thailand for fear of being sued/having to pay police bribes and medical expenses but the fact it's a little girl who has been run over in the most cold hearted way is just sickening and then people walking past. Makes you want to hurt all these fuckers.

Does anyone know the news of the girl's condition atm?

[the sicilian]

As I said, I didn't remove it because the problem was not the posting of the link (IMO - others may disagree) but the lack of explanation of exactly what it was. I put in the description.

Maybe I shouldn't have made the prick comment but just shows how angry I was with you - I don't rile easily.

Angry why? We were all angered by the content but what did the OP do wrong?

Plenty of people (and I think we all HATED the content of the video) have defended op's posting of it. I certainly don't think he was trying to anger people.

You calling him a prick is so far out of line. It's something we expect of Ironside

Agreed.... pretty sure there was no need for that..especially in your position..think some moderation of mods should be in order...maybe mr T should be taken before the Mod council to answer for his crimes

[ManuelsMum]

Those that did watch the video, would you forward the link to your friends so that they could watch it too? Or post it on a forum or on your Facebook wall? What were your feelings about watching a video like that (as opposed to the morality of the actions of those involved), and why do you think it merits  being shared?