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« Reply #105 on: November 12, 2011, 05:14:55 PM »

Odd ruling. If both players and dealer agree on the two hands fish thecards out. Reshuffle the rest. Deal it out

That seems to be the general consensus here as well.
sure only cards mucked not whole deck so take the vards out as they were on their back and deal thats the right ruling

It wasn't Ian Bryan who made the ruling by the way, just for the Ian Bryan haters!

I'm not an Ian Bryan hater, it's just that he has more Fawlty Towers moments than anybody else. Crazy ruling, the cards were on their backs, deal it out!!
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« Reply #106 on: November 12, 2011, 05:17:07 PM »

Good to see that the Grosvenor are living up to their reputation of making absolutely horrid cardroom rulings time and time again.  To say that this is a bad ruling is completely correct but I would go further and say that is absolutely shocking and downright embarrasing for this to have happened in a £1k event.

@"Players responsible for protecting their cards at all times "

The cards were protected.  They were shown face up over the betting line having both been declared all in.  Once a hand has been exposed there is no need for a player to have any concern with it.  Often dealers will scoop a hand in to place it dramatically on either side of the board.  This comment /\ is nonsense.

In this situation the cards should speak.  Everyone knows what the hands are/were and regardless of whether or not an incompetent, stressed or crazy dealer mucks them, burns them or eats them the two hands are still at showdown and a board should be ran out and the hand played on.

If we haven't been given the complete information and the dealer has mucked the hands and then the stub also then this becomes a lot more difficult but the hands should 100% not be declared dead.  Grosvenor should have a procedure for this and a way to reconstruct a board.

I really hope that the TD is disciplined for this, what a joke...
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« Reply #107 on: November 12, 2011, 05:17:16 PM »

Mark Physick on 170K, Anna on 50K

Nice stack, nice rack.

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« Reply #108 on: November 12, 2011, 05:17:53 PM »

Odd ruling. If both players and dealer agree on the two hands fish thecards out. Reshuffle the rest. Deal it out





well since both hands on their back players can not protect them anymore as it was idiot dealers fault take cards out and deal it out sure

That seems to be the general consensus here as well.
sure only cards mucked not whole deck so take the vards out as they were on their back and deal thats the right ruling

It wasn't Ian Bryan who made the ruling by the way, just for the Ian Bryan haters!

I'm not an Ian Bryan hater, it's just that he has more Fawlty Towers moments than anybody else. Crazy ruling, the cards were on their backs, deal it out!!
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« Reply #109 on: November 12, 2011, 05:20:14 PM »

John Miller tells me his QQ was destined to lose anyway. He's an eternal optimist.

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« Reply #110 on: November 12, 2011, 05:21:27 PM »

paul Jackson and TD Carl are having a heated debate in my ear.

Paul is winning.  Good to see he can still take something down.

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« Reply #111 on: November 12, 2011, 05:21:36 PM »

it seems my post dont come out  it s terrible rulling and since hands on their back u can not protect anymore as they r in dealers control if muppets mucks them by mistake fish them out and deal it
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« Reply #112 on: November 12, 2011, 05:24:19 PM »

 I've seen this happen twice in the Vic and both times the four cards, (which had been clearly tabled and were agreed by all), where left out, the rest of the deck shuffled and the hand dealt out.

 I cannot for the life of me see why they would make any other ruling. I also cannot understand how we are about to start year 6 of the tour and they can't have consistent rulings among casinos that are owned by the same company (in the same chain). The other ruling from day 1a where the guy says he's calling if you go all-in and then he folds when the guy goes all-in is not a call according to the Vic, but several people on here said that it was declared a call earlier in the year on the tour.

 I'm a massive Jeff Leigh fan, but wasn't the point of having him travel round, I thought part of the remit was to ensure consistency.

 I personally have attended very few GUKPTs this year because I felt they just weren't listening to me when I offered constructive criticism, or they were listening but nothing ever got done.

 Black Belt have put £200,000 in entries into the tour in past years but this year the number was under £30,000. We have given our business to the UKIPT.
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« Reply #113 on: November 12, 2011, 05:26:19 PM »

My 2 cents:

Use camera to help where available. Don't agree that if you don't have a camera on every table you can't use them where you do

If still not possible to determine who had which suits I would take the 4 queens out of the deck, shuffle them and give 2 random ones to the relevant player and repeat with the jacks to give to the other player. Shuffle the deck and deal the hand out.

Any common sense attempt to resolve the situation has to be better than an over eagerness to kill players' hands when they have done nothing wrong

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« Reply #114 on: November 12, 2011, 05:26:30 PM »

Amy Trodd OUT.

She called all in with A8 against George's A10, no help.

Unlucky Amy.

Last lady standing is local girl Anna.
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« Reply #115 on: November 12, 2011, 05:28:04 PM »

I've seen this happen twice in the Vic and both times the four cards, (which had been clearly tabled and were agreed by all), where left out, the rest of the deck shuffled and the hand dealt out.

 I cannot for the life of me see why they would make any other ruling. I also cannot understand how we are about to start year 6 of the tour and they can't have consistent rulings among casinos that are owned by the same company (in the same chain). The other ruling from day 1a where the guy says he's calling if you go all-in and then he folds when the guy goes all-in is not a call according to the Vic, but several people on here said that it was declared a call earlier in the year on the tour.

 I'm a massive Jeff Leigh fan, but wasn't the point of having him travel round, I thought part of the remit was to ensure consistency.

 I personally have attended very few GUKPTs this year because I felt they just weren't listening to me when I offered constructive criticism, or they were listening but nothing ever got done.

Black Belt have put £200,000 in entries into the tour in past years but this year the number was under £30,000. We have given our business to the UKIPT.

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« Reply #116 on: November 12, 2011, 05:30:48 PM »

 The turning point for me in making my decision not to support the tour as I have very loyally in the past was the terrible dealing at this exact leg.

 I have been a regular visitor to Blackpool in past years but I wasn't going to be treated the way they treated me there last year. I remember one dealer was just awful but the worse thing was the surly and arrogant attitude.

 In the PLO tournament I think there were 5-prizes but of course we had to play hand-4-hand at 10 players because we were about to make the final. It was 1am and no points were available for coming 9th, 8th etc. I constantly asked why this was and they seemed to relish telling me it was Grosvenor policy and there was nothing they could do. There was something I could do though and that is why I am not there.

 I didn't play the Vic leg in March as I wasn't allowed to call up and buy-in as a late alternate on the phone and then turn up a couple of hours later (after the Cheltenham races had finished). I would have to go from my house to the Vic to buy in and then come back and miss a race. They couldn't be flexible - Grosvenor policy. My policy was I won't play then.

 
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« Reply #117 on: November 12, 2011, 05:31:55 PM »

I've seen this happen twice in the Vic and both times the four cards, (which had been clearly tabled and were agreed by all), where left out, the rest of the deck shuffled and the hand dealt out.

 I cannot for the life of me see why they would make any other ruling. I also cannot understand how we are about to start year 6 of the tour and they can't have consistent rulings among casinos that are owned by the same company (in the same chain). The other ruling from day 1a where the guy says he's calling if you go all-in and then he folds when the guy goes all-in is not a call according to the Vic, but several people on here said that it was declared a call earlier in the year on the tour.

 I'm a massive Jeff Leigh fan, but wasn't the point of having him travel round, I thought part of the remit was to ensure consistency.

 I personally have attended very few GUKPTs this year because I felt they just weren't listening to me when I offered constructive criticism, or they were listening but nothing ever got done.

 Black Belt have put £200,000 in entries into the tour in past years but this year the number was under £30,000. We have given our business to the UKIPT.

Also the ruling yesterday where player A raises, B 3 bets. Player A asks for a count and whilst B is counting his stack the dealer deals the flop. As player A is unable to stop the dealer before the 1st 2 cards of the flop are dealt, his hand is ruled dead
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« Reply #118 on: November 12, 2011, 05:31:59 PM »

Mark Physick taking a head clearing walk.

Got it all in against Ash Hussiens 88, Mark had JJ, Ash spiked an 8.

Ash up to about 80K, Mark still on 135K ish.

Mark has got it in good solidly for two days, Dena breaking his table up now so hopefully a new table will help him stay solid.
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« Reply #119 on: November 12, 2011, 05:32:28 PM »

I'm still off down the pub
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