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« Reply #45 on: December 05, 2011, 09:59:01 PM »


mildly disrespectful
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« Reply #46 on: December 05, 2011, 10:24:01 PM »

I will of course answer your points sheriff. However, I would like the mods including you to know that when I post in the future I will do my best to respect your rules. In addition I have no real wish for some negative spiral debate with you guys.

Sheriff your post is quite sarcastic and provocative in itself but there you go. Every post I made prior to being told to shut the fuck up is still available for anybody to read. Point to the one which justifies personal abuse? I saw a mod viewing the thread and came back later to see the flaming hadn’t been moderated so sought to defend myself. My opinion is the comment should have been moderated before then. However, there are a few instances of people telling me to fuck off which weren’t moderated before so it appears you guys have a reasonable tolerance for this. I think I have explained my motivation for involvement, at some length actually, even though it was “beyond” you to understand, and it clearly isn’t to provoke trouble. Other people are looking to provoke trouble hence why other people flame. There is no flaming from me in any of those posts.

I don’t think I was guilty of a public rant against the Mods team. I said I figured it was possible to aspire to a greater level of consistency. This is pretty good feedback that you would do well to consider. I cited the Amy Winehouse thread to demonstrate how this was so. Perhaps it would be wise to contemplate the feedback rather than getting anxious. In addition saying you only posted the disrespectful and distasteful comments as response is quite provocative and argumentative itself don’t you think? The reason I used mods plural was because I thought you guys had some sort of consultation system with other mods before making decisions. I would say a single guy moderating on his own and deciding things on the behalf of an OP by using personal opinions and preferences explains why greater consistency is possible. And I don’t think a couple of reactionary posts either way should be compromising neutrality.

I have contributed significantly to the debate in this thread so perhaps you deserve the congratulations.

Thankfully, there's a 4 year old post out there which does a pretty good job of replying to your latest de-rail.  Enjoy.

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=25383.0
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« Reply #47 on: December 09, 2011, 02:24:17 PM »

this is how well a player can cover up depression. leon mckenzie tried to kill himself was taken to hospital then went into training the next day with no-one any the wiser

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2071792/Leon-McKenzie-suicide-attempt-depression--interview.html
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« Reply #48 on: December 09, 2011, 05:03:28 PM »

this is how well a player can cover up depression. leon mckenzie tried to kill himself was taken to hospital then went into training the next day with no-one any the wiser

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2071792/Leon-McKenzie-suicide-attempt-depression--interview.html

Sure enough McKenzie did a good job disguising his depression at work. Vastly different trying to hide the symptoms at home thou. And tellingly enough McKenzie was in tears on the phone to his mum several times. Hence if McKenzie did the unthinkable his family would be able to confirm anxiety issues. Gary Speed's family are mystified because he didn't display any anxiety symptoms.

Secondly, the difference in the two characters and their circumstances are stark. LM was estranged from his wife and kids who were his life whereas GS had a seemingly idyllic homelife. LM was beset with lengthy career threatening injuries and he was worried he had no future. GS had a very successful playing career and a promising future in management. LM had to deal with the tragic suicide of his sister who was having race and identity issues which he may have shared. GS had no such history and was a proud and certain of his heritage. LM says he went around squandering money on gambling and nights out whereas GS was a settled family man and the captain of every club he played for. So again if LM did the unthinkable there is significant evidence to point to why.

Thirdly, it is my understanding that depression suicides usually happen after a lengthy downward spiral and ends up with the individual succumbing to that option as the final straw. And usually they do it away from the home. LM had a lengthy downward spiral and was away from home. Stan Collymore had a 5 week downward spiral and took a rope to some woods. GS was on Football Focus, at ManU, at a party and everybody says he was on top form. He suddenly snap decided to do it at home seemingly without the life issues and worries LM had and without displaying anxiety to his family at any point.

The article only serves to demonstrate the vast differences between a classic depression suicide attempt and GS's demise imo.
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