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« Reply #112005 on: January 15, 2016, 01:59:09 PM »

Aus open tennis draw is out

I'm lining these up...,please fire away

Murray E/w (11/2 with Fred,bfsb) Runs well here and seems to have a decent draw up to the semis.

Berdych win 2nd Qtr. (11/2 jokoral, 6/1  satans) or anyone else to oppose Fed???

Women's 4th Qtr..... Oppose Halep with Huh??



what are the features of the draw that make these attractive please?

the last 8 if it goes to seedings are?

Murray vs Ferrer then Stan/Rafa in the semis

For me, Wawrinka is the only player who can stop Muzza reaching the final and giving an EW return.

Berdych vs Fed - not sure if this is a bet or not, but was surprised to see Berdych seeded so high. Kygrios, dimitrov, goffin and Cilic are in the same quarter so probably tough to find someone to oppose Fed.

Halep vs Williams (v) Halep has a bang average Slam record for a no.2 seed so can be opposed. Just not sure who to go with.
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« Reply #112006 on: January 15, 2016, 02:09:44 PM »

As long as Murray doesn't fly home if his baby comes early.

He has said he will miss the tennis for this: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/35220177
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« Reply #112007 on: January 15, 2016, 02:14:46 PM »

As long as Murray doesn't fly home if his baby comes early.

He has said he will miss the tennis for this: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/35220177

Correct i am laying murray for this very reason.  Not sure the market has factored it in at all.  Seems like a total freeroll to me.  You are laying him probably too short anyway because he is Murray and you get the freeroll of him flying home.
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« Reply #112008 on: January 15, 2016, 02:28:43 PM »

http://www.oddschecker.com/football/english/premier-league/top-english-goalscorer

vardy and kane both same odds to finish top scorer
but 11/8 kane here
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« Reply #112009 on: January 15, 2016, 02:39:35 PM »

http://www.oddschecker.com/football/english/premier-league/top-english-goalscorer

vardy and kane both same odds to finish top scorer
but 11/8 kane here

again, maybe i am coming across as a bit churlish

but more info please?

you want to back kane on the fundamentals, or there is a pricing error, or both? its a stale price? or more than that?

what about lukaku and the others?
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« Reply #112010 on: January 15, 2016, 02:42:47 PM »

I think it’s about time we had one of those chess bets. You know, the ones we have survived perfectly well without but who doesn’t love a sweat?

The second biggest tournament of the year, the Tata Steel Masters in Wijk aan Zee in the Netherlands, starts tomorrow and the entrants are:

http://www.tatasteelchess.com/grandmasters

No surprises as to who the favourite is: Magnus Carlsen, fresh from winning the London Classic in December, is 4/6 and bidding to get a fifth Wijk title. It’s not much fun backing him at that price, even though he is finding form again. The bookmaker known as Three Fat Ladies (888) is offering a To Finish in the Top 3 market, which looks like this:

1/10 Carlsen
Evs Caruana
Evs Giri
2/1 So
5/2 Karjakin
7/2 Ding Liren
5/1 Elijanov, Mamedyarov
6/1 Tomashevsky
7/1 Navara
7/1 Wei Yi
8/1 Adams
14/1 Hou Yifan
20/1 van Wely

Realistically, Carlsen, Giri, Caruana, maybe So is the list of people who could win this outright. The rest will be playing for the minor prizes. What we do tend to see in this tournament is the top lot all beating the “weaker” players and then whoever does best against the others wins. Giri, Karjakin and So are relentless draw-merchants against the elite and very rarely go through a tournament beating two or more of the top half a dozen. They’re never value. Caruana was indifferent in London and we’re yet to see him at anything like the dazzling levels he set a couple of years ago.

The likes of Tomashevsky, Navara, Adams, Hou and van Vely are any price you like to challenge. Mamedyarov might pick up a result or two, Elijanov has decent form but still have question marks against the top few.

With a lot of draw-happy people in the top half of the betting, there’s a fair chance of a chop for the money in 2nd or 3rd. Last year, Carlsen won by half a point to four players.

http://www.tatasteelchess.com/history/recent/year/2015/standings/1

As you’ll see, one of the four was Ding. He beat up the bottom half with a string of wins and lost only to the entertaining Vachier-Lagrave, an attack-minded Caruana and Giri in good form. He has made steady progress and was world number 8 in October (there’s basically nothing between a bunch of them around there).



He’s 23 years old from China and represents the growing force of chess from China. An intense, uncompromising style of play and a gifted attacker, he is putting more solid performances in his tournaments and is the leading guy in a drive from his country to dominate the game. Hou is the world’s highest ever rated female player and Wei Yi is a young, emerging threat himself.

This tournament favours those who can pick up wins, rather than a lot of the ones amongst the elite, where everyone draws and the comp is decided by one or two crucial games. It favours an attacking player and, with a successful result here last time, there’s certainly reason to believe Ding can challenge again.  

He’s 17/1 outright and 7/2 top 3. That’s 1/5 odds in a 14 runner field, granted, but we can exclude a few of these without much difficulty and the market is far tastier. This isn’t horse racing, where a bit outsider can be better prepared or handicapped than anyone expected. Individual results do happen but tournament shocks over 13 games are just about inconceivable. Anand won the Candidates when a big price, but he was a good player believed to be badly out of form, which none of these at the bottom are. I think the 17/1 on Ding offers a little value, as he is the next best outside the top bracket and 6% is hardly stingy and the 7/2 first three is good.


May I suggest £10 on Ding Liren to win at 17/1?

And £20 on Ding Liren to finish in the top 3 at 7/2, please?


I’m open to views from the other chess people, of course, plus any general maths/betting observations. Starts tomorrow, by the way.

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« Reply #112011 on: January 15, 2016, 02:45:13 PM »

Tighty.
 
Tonight the Ospreys host the CESM's from Clermont. Both sides have ambitions of progressing out of their group and I think it is far closer than the odds suggest. Ospreys haven't lost at home to a French side since 2004 and I think this cold weather will help them tonight. I make it almost a 50/50 game and the 9/4 for the Ospreys is too big and the 25 to 1 on the draw is way too big.

Suggest Ospreys £15 @ 9/4 with Hills and £5 the draw @ 25-1 with betfred.


Ospreys Ospreys v Clermont Auvergne Winner
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Total Stake: £15.00
Total Returns: £48.75

missed the draw price due to snowed underness
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« Reply #112012 on: January 15, 2016, 02:45:51 PM »

http://www.oddschecker.com/football/english/premier-league/top-english-goalscorer

vardy and kane both same odds to finish top scorer
but 11/8 kane here

again, maybe i am coming across as a bit churlish

but more info please?

you want to back kane on the fundamentals, or there is a pricing error, or both? its a stale price? or more than that?

what about lukaku and the others?

It is a bad price not in line with the main market which is solid.  Lukaku isn't English so wouldn't factor into the market.  It is top ENGLISH scorer.  Very good spot.  Worth a decent bet imo.  It is effectively a match bet unless Defoe goes nuts.  We are getting 11/8 or 6/4 about an even money shot.  Decent edge = big bet (ie £200-£300)
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« Reply #112013 on: January 15, 2016, 02:48:22 PM »

just put it up for discussion
noting that they're same odds in top scorer market but big difference in top english scorer
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« Reply #112014 on: January 15, 2016, 02:48:48 PM »

Tal where is the chess bet please?

all i can see on oc is as follows

http://www.oddschecker.com/chess


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« Reply #112015 on: January 15, 2016, 02:49:13 PM »

http://www.oddschecker.com/football/english/premier-league/top-english-goalscorer

vardy and kane both same odds to finish top scorer
but 11/8 kane here

again, maybe i am coming across as a bit churlish

but more info please?

you want to back kane on the fundamentals, or there is a pricing error, or both? its a stale price? or more than that?

what about lukaku and the others?

It is a bad price not in line with the main market which is solid.  Lukaku isn't English so wouldn't factor into the market.  It is top ENGLISH scorer.  Very good spot.  Worth a decent bet imo.  It is effectively a match bet unless Defoe goes nuts.

This.  Suggest £100+
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« Reply #112016 on: January 15, 2016, 02:50:14 PM »

Tal where is the chess bet please?

all i can see on oc is as follows

http://www.oddschecker.com/chess




Not on oddschecker. Just 888.
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« Reply #112017 on: January 15, 2016, 02:53:03 PM »

Tal where is the chess bet please?

all i can see on oc is as follows

http://www.oddschecker.com/chess




Not on oddschecker. Just 888.

tikay could you pop some money on please?
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« Reply #112018 on: January 15, 2016, 02:54:10 PM »

Tal where is the chess bet please?

all i can see on oc is as follows

http://www.oddschecker.com/chess





Not on oddschecker. Just 888.


17/5<7/2, so no need for the each way.  Just add that part to the 7/2 bet.  That assumed you do think 17/1 is also a good price and you didn't just use it to get the place part.  
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« Reply #112019 on: January 15, 2016, 02:55:51 PM »

Tal where is the chess bet please?

all i can see on oc is as follows

http://www.oddschecker.com/chess




Not on oddschecker. Just 888.

tikay could you pop some money on please?

PM me the Username & Password, please?

Best be quick,. I'm due at the Gym shortly.
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